Letters to the Editor

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 12:36am

Woody nailed it!

I have just read a Larry Woody’s Fairgrounds article in The City Paper [Nov. 2] that has hit a World Series bases-loaded home run with me and I would shout it from the rooftops if I had a long enough ladder.

Because I have lived in West Nashville since birth and have held office as an elected public official for 40 years, I believe that I have some sense of what many Nashvillians, whose opinions are often overlooked, may really want for their city. I found Mr. Woody’s article on the closing of the fairgrounds most insightful and as a result, I am writing my first letter ever to the editor of any newspaper or other publication for that matter.

We hear of the economic impact of football stadiums, sports arenas and convention halls.  Is there no stimulus from the visitors to the State Fair, the monthly flea market, stock car races and Christmas Village? As a matter of fact no one will find a more enthusiastic crowd of fans than those that attend an evening of wrestling promoted by Mr. Neal Hargrove. Many people find wrestling and roller derby a terrific entertainment value!

It seems a city that can afford “social welfare” for those well heeled enough to buy football and hockey tickets is very frugal when it comes to less edifying amusement for the masses.

It’s time the Chamber of Commerce and area real estate “high rollers” start requesting the pulse beat of John and Mary Doe for a change. Thank you Mr. Woody for sharing your input [and] thoughts on the “unfair” closing of the State Fairgrounds.

Bill Higgins, 37219

 

 

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219 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 11/6/09 at 5:02

Good Morning.

I'm going to visit my daughter in Virginia today.

So the word for today is dargent.

See you all later.

By: dargent7 on 11/6/09 at 5:46

Thanks alot "Nemo".
Last month everyone piled on SidVicious, last Fri. you and others' had a field day assulting '"Chief" and "Bend-O", this past Mon. it was "serr8", and yesterday it was me. So, what? We're all faceless in a crowd, it isn't personal.
If I actually knew anyone, personally, then I'd take it to heart. I was actually "friends" with all of the posting bullies once upon a time.
Who know's? "Nemo", your number may be up and your turn is right around the corner. Besides, this group is too smart to fall for your childish games. Ha!

By: idgaf on 11/6/09 at 6:37

Excellant point Bill.

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 6:37

Now THAT's what I call a LTE. Well written, sincere and without insult to those who do not agree.

By: house_of_pain on 11/6/09 at 7:02

I'm willing to bet that "the masses" enjoy professional football & hockey more than local roller derby & wrestling. Pro sports aren't just for the "well heeled".

By: Kosh III on 11/6/09 at 7:04

You won't find the "well heeled" at the flea market or the fair.

The LTE is on target. Decisions are made by a few for the benefit of the same few.

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 7:07

D7, nobody gets "picked on" for no reason. Perhaps you should look harder at your tone and attitude. Maybe then you'd understand how others see you and why they respond like they do.

By: dargent7 on 11/6/09 at 7:28

Fund-O: If you want to allow yourself to get sucked into a "bully", triggered by the likes of a "Nemo", that's your business.
I've posted this board for 10 months. It's always somebody with you people.
Yesterday it was me, and I didn't even write a LTE you disliked.
Ask yourself the psychology and mentality it takes to pile on an anonomous entity.
Like I said, I've had cordial discussions with virtually everyone (except you, by the way), and they all turned. There's a "reason" in there?

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 7:37

I've been here for five years and I can say for certain that Nemo is no bully. You and I have had many civil discourses. I always agree with your message (you don't remember that do you?), but your tone and sense of superiority over the past few months has been over the top and downright insulting.

You say everyone here should "get a life" but I am certain you spend more time posting than the rest of combined. In fact, most of us post here alone between tasks throughout our work day. Why is OK for you to stay logged on but no one else?

And finally, you say our IQs are so low? Why? Because some (not me) don't agree with your letters? Or because we joke around a lot and have a little fun?

Your animosity toward many speaks louder than what you say. You can't expect people not to react to that.

By: sidneyames on 11/6/09 at 7:48

It’s time the Chamber of Commerce and area real estate “high rollers” start requesting the pulse beat of John and Mary Doe for a change. Thank you Mr. Woody for sharing your input [and] thoughts on the “unfair” closing of the State Fairgrounds.

Mr. Higgins, you are correct. I want the "unfair" closing of the State Fairgrounds to be a broader public decision.

D7 you posed the question: Ask yourself the psychology and mentality it takes to pile on an anonomous entity.

You need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you, of all people, bash my looks, my very feminine self, and other personal things about me. If you are truly repenting, then keep your anger and angst away from my character traits and looks. Besides I'm not ugly or mean. I just bite back hard when I'm being attacked.

Now, can we stick to fairgrounds issue today and not wander off on the crazy path?

By: sidneyames on 11/6/09 at 7:48

And my name is NOT SidVicious. It's Sidney or St. Sidney to you D7.

By: govskeptic on 11/6/09 at 7:50

The LTE is right on target today. Yes, maybe there
should be some changes to the fairgrounds property &
events, but to just scrap it entirely and sell off to some
Corp. or developer is just wrong.

If the city wants to get rid of the fair-fine, racing-ok,
but not all the bldgs. and events that property is
extremely useful for and ideas for other events
or ideas to come!

By: dargent7 on 11/6/09 at 8:06

Fund-O: You kidding me? Nice excuses.
"serr8" posted yesterday, and before his ink was dry several exclaimed the shock he was out of jail as a convicted sex offender.
Last Friday, everyone was name calling "Chief" and "Bend-O". Pages of insults.
Weds. and Thurs. had 12 pages of "skank" jokes. No topic, just b.s.
That's the effects of a high IQ?
Why didn't you lash out at the guy who called Taylor Swift a "skank"? The same guy had pages (w/ others) making fun of Vietnam vets who are in wheel chairs. Where was your condemnation then?
This board looks more and more as an episode left on the cutting room floor from "Wayne's World".
Why don't you people comment on the TX., Ft. Hood shooting or Al Gore's new book? Or, would that be too much of a stretch?

By: chiefpayne568 on 11/6/09 at 8:06

Funditto,

Nemo, a bully? No.

But Nemo does enjoy insulting people, even if they haven't posted that day. There is NO denying that.

Still, given that he does that to everyone he disagrees with, it's no surprise...and no I don't take it personally. He is the way he is.

By: house_of_pain on 11/6/09 at 8:09

I still don't get why you think I ever made fun of Veterans, d7. Never happened.

By: chiefpayne568 on 11/6/09 at 8:21

Change of subject (hope eveyone's ok with that) or at least an additional subject:
Man I sure HOPE it'll stop at 10.2% unemployment!

FTA: "Economists say it could climb as high as 10.5 percent next year because employers remain reluctant to hire."

Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83
Unemployment rate tops 10 percent for first time since 1983; 190,000 jobs lost in October

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobless-rate-tops-10-pct-for-apf-563122944.html?x=0&.v=8

By: pandabear on 11/6/09 at 8:24

This "40 years in politics" yahoo has an agenda,
you can bet on that.

You can have the race car jerks with all their late night noise.
They never cared about disturbing us, so it's "bye bye, and good riddance".

By: Dragon on 11/6/09 at 8:25

Dargent, the solution to all the insult/comeback sniping is to ignore it and not participate. Do not reply, even if they are directed at you.

That said, Ft Hood is tragic. Still waiting for information to become firm on the circumstances and motivation. Meanwhile, prayers to all who are affected.

I see the new unemployment numbers are out. 10.2% - ouch. Anyone know an accurate number for the US workforce? Articles seem to indicate about 16m unemployed which means a workforce of about 160M. Since the population is about 330M, that means about half of every man, woman, and child is supposed to have a job. Seems too high.

By: pandabear on 11/6/09 at 8:31

That's right chief.
And they stopped counting the people who have stopped
looking for work, unlike the Great Depression where they
counted everyone.

The true figures are probably closer to 16% to 18%.
Only 1/3 of the sub prime loans have reset, so we've still
got 2/3 more to go.

"Hospital reform" is being left out of "health reform" and they're loving it
'cause they only see with greedy eyes the money they are getting
and not the "end" they are contributing to.

By: sidneyames on 11/6/09 at 8:32

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By: govskeptic on 11/6/09 at 7:50
The LTE is right on target today. Yes, maybe there
should be some changes to the fairgrounds property &
events, but to just scrap it entirely and sell off to some
Corp. or developer is just wrong.

D7 said: Why don't you people comment on the TX., Ft. Hood shooting or Al Gore's new book? Or, would that be too much of a stretch?

Because D7, the Fairgrounds is the subject of his letter and we all don't have the same desire to switch boats in the middle of the stream as you do. Now get on topic or get off boat today.

By: sidneyames on 11/6/09 at 8:36

Panda said: You can have the race car jerks with all their late night noise.
They never cared about disturbing us, so it's "bye bye, and good riddance".

My question is: What came first? The race track OR ALL the development around it?

I bought a house across from a horse farm. Now the poop is too stinky for me. So do they all have to go? Or do I have to realize that they came FIRST? And if some one moves, it should be me. Logic. I think the race track/fair grounds has been there longer.

The planes fly over my house. I want that airport sold and moved out of town -- right now! Waaaaaa!

By: dargent7 on 11/6/09 at 8:36

"House"...I didn't say it was you. I said "the guy"...I don't need any more aggravation.
But, "this guy" and 5 others had 4 pages of "stump" jokes? Remember?
I'm already under house arrest by Funditto for my complaining about the 12 pages of "skank" jokes, trying to appear "superior" in intellect.
Christ, "Daddy-O" said a 4 year degree at University of Michigan was less than an Associates at Tenn. Tech. You can't win.

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 8:43

The flea market alone has to be a huge tax revenue for Metro. I smell a back-room deal between Frists and Deans maybe. Probably others.

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 8:46

D7: Personally, I think some of the jokes here are very clever. That they sail over your head may just be an indication of your own poor IQ.

By: house_of_pain on 11/6/09 at 8:46

I remember the jokes, and I'll admit my humor can be tasteless.
There are never any cruel intentions on my part.

My wife likes the flea markets, but that's the only reason we ever go to the fairgrounds.

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 8:51

Participating on this particular board does require a thick skin. Once you realize that and accept it, it is quite fun. With the exception of a brief time at Loner's blog, I don't post on any other boards, so have nothing to compare it to - it's just fun.

BTW, yesterday we were raking leaves and a skank ran out and over my toes. My husband was perplexed that I thought it was so funny. He is not a part of my NCP "cyber life."

By: house_of_pain on 11/6/09 at 8:52

Fun, what happens on the board, stays on the board.

By: Dragon on 11/6/09 at 8:56

For me, the fairgrounds are too far away to be convenient. At most, I'll go there once a year for the garden show.

My impression is that the fairgrounds have great potential. Unfortunately, fairs in general seem to be of a bygone era and flea markets can be found all over. The racetrack is being overtaken by the surrounding development and the surrounding commercial areas seem to be deteriorating. I doubt that the fairgrounds has a bright future.

By: BenDover on 11/6/09 at 8:56

I still love ya d'arge...

By: chiefpayne568 on 11/6/09 at 8:58

Panda,

Not just hospital reform being left out...tort reform, fair interstate competition reform...there's a lot that is being left out and a lot that is being put in that shouldn't be there.

By: BenDover on 11/6/09 at 8:59

The state fair is covered up with thugs... that why nobody goes anymore. I've been to a gun show or two in the past couple of years but not the fair. I hear the one out in Lebanon is a great place to go but I've not been yet.

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 9:02

new By: house_of_pain on 11/6/09 at 8:52

Fun, what happens on the board, stays on the board."

Good. I'd be very embarrassed if anyone I knew read my posts. Sometimes I hit send too soon.

For me, this is the best place to blow off steam with minor repercussions. D7s cyber attacks are merely harmless annoyances - a little like being pelted with marshmallows.

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 9:04

Chief, are you going to blame Obama for the jobless rates? Fort Hood, too? I seem to remember so many repelicans defending Bush for "sticking to his guns" when his policies and wars proved unpopular. Why doesn't that apply to Obama?

By: MamaG on 11/6/09 at 9:05

Funditto, I agree with your posts today. I would be the first to admit I can be very crass sometimes when I'm joking around here. It is usually all in good fun and, I believe adults need a break where we can just act silly if we want to. The LTE's have all been pretty sucky lately so why not have fun? We've all been posting here for many years and have come to 'know' each others' sense of humor pretty well, even though we don't always agree on things. So I challenge everyone here to lighten up, have fun and remember, life is too short!
To D7: I apologize for being nasty to you in my posts the past couple days. I do not appreciate what you said about giving head though. Would you say that to your own mother? Remember, I am a mama, after all.-LOL!!!!!!!!

By: BenDover on 11/6/09 at 9:08

Let's break a system that's 95% right so CONGRESS can rebuild it???

That collective body gets a 17% approval rating. And you want to put it between us and our doctors? 2000 pages of legislation? No thanks.

I think if there was a risk pool similar to the way the flood/hurricane pools work for people who find themselves in the pre-existing condition trap (administered under medicaid) and then publically subsidized clinics to clear the ERs of the poor kids with sniffles and of the people wanting a doctor's excuse for laying out of work.

Add in some protections that don't let insurance companies purge their roles upon the termination of employment and you've got a pretty reasonable system. Maybe 5 pages rather than 2000.

By: MamaG on 11/6/09 at 9:14

When I was a kid, I loved going to the State Fair and especially, Fair Park! I loved the old wooden roller coaster, the haunted house, the bumper cars. Lots of fun memories. Nowdays, I go to several things out there but only in the out-buildings. The Gem & Mineral show is always in Dec and is fun to go to. Of course, all the gardening shows, women's shows, dog shows and the flea market. I love all those things and will be sad to see them go. Perhaps the un(der) used convention center located downtown could become the venue for such things.

By: chiefpayne568 on 11/6/09 at 9:26

Funditto,

"Chief, are you going to blame Obama for the jobless rates? Fort Hood, too? I seem to remember so many repelicans defending Bush for "sticking to his guns" when his policies and wars proved unpopular. Why doesn't that apply to Obama?"

I ALSO seem to recall that Bush was constantly being blamed for "sticking to his guns for a failed policy" by numerous Democrats as well...so now that can't be put on Obama?

BTW, am I blaming the jobless rates on Obama? Well, seems to me he could have done better in encouraging those who run businesses and who had money to spend to help bring us out of the bad economy rather than to scare them with higher taxes, promises to soak the rich to pay for healthcare, to soak businesses to pay for Cap and Trade, etc.

Now, do I blame him for Ft. Hood? That wouldn't make any sense at all. BUT I do question WHY the guy wasn't flagged sooner. As I understand it, his superiors and peers KNEW he had issues 6 months prior to this yet they did nothing. I'd like to know why, although I have a pretty good idea why they didn't flag him.

By: gdiafante on 11/6/09 at 9:35

I'd go to the Wilson or Williamson County fairs. Head and shoulders above anything at the fairgrounds. The flea market there stinks too.

Mama, I vaguely remember "Fair Park" when I was very young. Had an old wooden roller coaster. Went there alot before we moved. It's usually par for the course that when Nashville has something fun (Opryland) they tear it down.

By: chiefpayne568 on 11/6/09 at 9:35

Now THIS is COOL!!! Not really like Star Trek...but it is neat!

Device like ‘Star Trek’ replicator is in the works
Technology uses electron beam to melt metals, build objects layer by layer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33626447/ns/technology_and_science-space/

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 9:37

I'm surprised this guys slipped through the cracks. If he hadn't been a high-ranking medical doctor, he would've been out long ago no doubt. Sometimes having an "MD" after your name clouds others perception.

By: MamaG on 11/6/09 at 9:39

Yes, g, the roller coaster was quite rickety and I always wondered if it would last through the ride each time I got on it. When they dismantled it, a friend of mine wanted to buy it and put it up on his land. In hindsight, it would've been pretty cool. And Nashville Shores was just sold so, what's going to happen to that? Maybe they will make it more fun than now? Or will they shut it down and do something else out there, a la Hermitage Landing?

By: Funditto on 11/6/09 at 9:39

I grew up in KY and went the fair every year. My dear ol' day would make us walk through every single boring exhibit and look at every single hog, horse and cow before we could hit the fantastic midway. The midway is now a Six Flags amusement park and doing very well. We should do the same.

By: MamaG on 11/6/09 at 9:40

When I say 'fun', I mean for the kids...personally I've never been there.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/6/09 at 9:40

By: BenDover on 11/6/09 at 8:59
The state fair is covered up with thugs... that why nobody goes anymore. I've been to a gun show or two in the past couple of years but not the fair. I hear the one out in Lebanon is a great place to go but I've not been yet.

that's exactly why i don't go to the fair.

By: gdiafante on 11/6/09 at 9:41

Yeah, but in his case the Md stood for "Manic Depressive". Those cracks that everyone always mention are the size of the Grand Canyon...and a convenient excuse.

By: dargent7 on 11/6/09 at 9:42

Ok,...OK...Let's move on.
But this board reminds me of a Woody Allen line: "I wouldn't want to be a member of any board who'd have me".
Let's leave it at that.

By: gdiafante on 11/6/09 at 9:42

Shores has been sold to Six Flags, or a company that runs amusement parks, but they've said they have no plans right now for adding any additional rides or attractions. Although Nashville needs another amusement park.

By: chiefpayne568 on 11/6/09 at 9:42

Fun,

"I'm surprised this guys slipped through the cracks. If he hadn't been a high-ranking medical doctor, he would've been out long ago no doubt. Sometimes having an "MD" after your name clouds others perception."

Not so sure about this. The guy's OER wasn't too hot...and performance wasn't good. But the Army is pretty strict on keeping things PC...so they probably couldn't do much until sufficient written counseling statements were gathered to flag him. Although, I do wonder about that considering how irratic he seemed to be, according to what his peers have been saying.

By: MamaG on 11/6/09 at 9:43

Fun, my dad was the same thing to us and as an adult when I went back after several years, I found I wanted to see the livestock again, just to bring back memories. It certainly did! I'm sure my dad would've been happy to know I was there, looking at the animals! lol

By: house_of_pain on 11/6/09 at 9:48

And now you're here, talking to the animals...