Letters to the Editor

Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 9:38pm

GM stuck in reverse?

I find it unbelievable that GM is closing, er idling, the Saturn plant in Spring Hill. First, the Saturn car was abandoned, [and now] the Chevy Traverse, after a $750 million cosmetic procedure, has moved it's production to Detroit.

That leaves acres and acres of a production facilty, 2,000 ex-workers, and countless adjoining businesses without income and paychecks. How could this happen to GM?

Saturn was touted 25 years ago as a "new car company," something totally revolutionary in GM's history and line-up. Then, the typical engineering, mechanical and electrical problems surfaced and the car was just another brand enjoying so-so styling.

It baffles the mind to witness America's car manufacturing capabilities always coming in second to the Japanese. The much heralded Chevy "Volt" debuting next year is another round of "revolution," but stickered at $40,000 I wonder. I know Detroit, Flint and other cities need the work, but couldn't they have built the car here in Tennessee?

Is there a light at the end of this tunnel?

Paul D'Argent, 37209

Filed under: City Voices

183 Comments on this post:

By: idgaf on 11/30/09 at 6:26

A demonstration why we should not have used taxpayer money to bail them out and barrys transfer of wealth in the form of jobs.

You really don't think GM made this decision to you?

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 6:47

Yes, I believe GM made the call. I also believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/09 at 7:42

Bush and Obama did what they had to do in order to keep GM from collapsing until the market could sustain such a hit. That's all. This is been years in the making. Even without the bailout, they'd probably still be closing Spring Hill.

Someone from Detroit should know that they've been producing over-priced kaka for close to twenty years.

By: dooley on 11/30/09 at 8:11

You are right gd . What does id know. I believe he has a secret crush on Obama.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/09 at 8:29

He's not the only one, dooley. I can think of two specifically who are green with envy at those two yahoos who crashed the state dinner the other night.

By: HokeyPokey on 11/30/09 at 8:29

What I don't understand is why a new car company like Tesla wants to build a plant from the ground up when we already have one that could be adapted.

http://bit.ly/5z0YPR

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 8:32

Good morning, Nashville!

Thankfully, Thanksgiving has passed and we finally have a new LTE board, to eletcronically hang out on. Thank you, NCP.

And thanks Paul, for another interesting LTE. I'm surprised that you are not thrilled that Detroit is on the comeback trail, relative to Spring Hill, TN.
Maybe it's time to swim upstream and return to your breeding pool, Paul, like a homesick salmon.

Since they now have a Cannabis College in Detroit, MI, I'm thinking about relocating. Higher education, at any age, is a good thing.

As for GM, IMO they are moribund. When you see ordinary folks in check out lines wearing those blue, Government Motors, T-shirts, you know the enterprize is doomed. Thanks to the right-wing demagogues, buying a GM car is tantamount to supporting creeping socialism and corrupt lazy, labor unions.

The new $50,000 - 426 Horsepower - Camaro might have saved GM, in 1968, when gas was under thirty cents per gallon. Today, the retro-ponycar is a ridiculous anachronism that will appeal to a tiny fraction of the motoring public - the testosterone challenged.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/30/09 at 8:37

Happy Monday, everyone!

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 8:40

Yes, Blanket, it is a very happy Monday.
My wife is probably happy that I am almost too hoarse to talk.

By: Dragon on 11/30/09 at 8:40

The Washington Times has an article stating analysts don't believe the housing industry is strong enough to stand without continued government stimulus measures. The same can be said of GM, who is fundamentally unsound. As Gdiafante said, these billions of dollars only postpones the collapse until the markets are stronger.

Idling the Spring Hill plant is merely a step in that direction.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/30/09 at 8:48

were you at the game, house?

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 8:50

Yes, I was.

By: oyharward on 11/30/09 at 8:51

Surprised?

Why should anyone be surprised? For years, some have been warning Organized Labor built manufacturing and many other industries in commerce. Now, states’ legislators, lawmakers on Capitol Hill, Organized Labor, the AFL-CIO, United Auto Workers (UAW), United Steelworkers of America (USW), National Education Association (NEA), and others have all but destroyed many in Manufacturing, our educational social system, and many other vocations within America’s culture

America’s Big Two automakers and other companies within our economy are in a crisis. The rejection of a bailout and/or loan to GM, and Chrysler is the result of UAW leaders and memberships' refusal to adequately trim employee cost and benefits cost of $141M annually and more. Dr. Mark J. Perry, Professor of Economics and Finance in the School of Management at the Flint campus of the University of Michigan http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/07/uaw-pricing-themselves-out-of-market.html, best defines the Big 3s’ employee cost.

The bottom is “greed” has taken over in Organized Labor, as GM and others can no longer compete in the marketplace. American taxpayers are limited as to how much more they can pay President Obama’s election campaign in the name of Labor Unions by name.

Oscar Y. Harward
oharward@carolina.rr.com
http://conservativechristianvoice.blogspot.com

By: 2476 on 11/30/09 at 8:52

What did everyone expect when the government ( Obama ) got control of GM . He was going to move the operation of the Saturn plant to his cronies up in Michigan that voted for him. Americans are seeing just how much experience he really has in running this country. But everyone wanted change and that is what has happened. His popularity is slipping faster that any President up to this date. Just wait til he gets his health care package passed and his popularity will probably slip lower than Bush's.

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 8:52

d7, the upside of car manufacturing jobs going to Michigan is that there will be
more people at the Lions games.

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 8:54

Halliburton, Dick Cheney's mentor and sponsor, is the best example of the disturbing trend in which private corporations raid the US Treasury, in order to grow their business, or to avoid bankruptcy. When the raiding is going on under a Republican Administration, it's called "fascism". When the same thing occurs during a Democratic Adminstration, we call it "socialism". That's all rope-a-dope rhetoric, of course, created for mass consumption; the net effect is the same.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/09 at 8:57

House, that was some win. I didn't see the game though, we were decorating our tree and watching "Santa Clause is coming to town".

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 9:07

House: I had my staff research some "screen names" and is yours the nickname for the Houston Astrodome? Just wondering, never knew that tidbit. I would probably go down in final Jeopardy with that one.

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 9:08

Oy! Oyharward and 2476 come in just in time to prove my point. GM, as Government Motors, has been tageted for destruction - it's a political thing.

These righties would rather sit and watch GM go down in the quicksand, if that means saying, "NO" to labor unions, Obama and Socialism. These gullible American patriots would rather see their money go offshore than go to the families of "socialist" union members, here in the states

Online Holymen, like our sanctimonious Oyharward, are convinced of the righteousness of their cause. Jesus would not buy a car from GM...neither should you or me. Oy!

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 9:15

Loner: "Breeding pool", and a "homesick salmon"...you sure have a funny way of applauding someone.

By: Dragon on 11/30/09 at 9:17

"These righties would rather sit and watch GM go down in the quicksand, if that means saying, "NO" to labor unions, Obama and Socialism."

Count me in also. I want to see Socialism fail in this country and for this country and its citizens to remain free. Remember the line from "Moscow on the Hudson"? Freedom also means the freedom to fail.

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 9:17

Just trying yo be creative and colorful with the imagery, Darge. No offense....we are all just fish...ain't that right, Reverend Oy?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/30/09 at 9:18

Dragon, what about citizens being free from ruthless big business and religious fundamentalists?

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 9:25

Your honesty is refreshing, Dragon. So, you would not throw sinking GM a lifeline, you prefer throwing heavy rocks instead. Sadly, I believe that folks like you have the tenacity and solidarity to pull off a lethal boycott of GM.

You people have your principles, I suppose. But please, don't wave the flag in our faces...wave the Japanese flag, the Korean flag or whatever, if you must, but please, not Old Glory. Thanks.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/09 at 9:27

No Loner, Dragon wants everyone to buy only Ford, because they did not get a bailout. He's really a quasi-Nationalist at heart.

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 9:30

Is that right, Dragon? Are you a Ford man?

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 9:31

OFF topic division is now OPEN: A million cash it turns out Tiger Woods wife beat the sh**t out of him and was comming back for the 2nd Round. His coverup is pure b.s. and she'll file for divorce within 2 years. Guy's already made $1 billion for swinging a club. It's obscene.

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 9:36

Correct, d7. Jerry Glanville was "rumored" to place bounties on opposing players' heads.
It was a helluva game, gd...apparently I was on T.V. a couple of times.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/09 at 9:38

They'll probably show it again on NFL replay, I'll catch it then.

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 9:40

Yeah, on Wed. at noon, I think. Just watch for the tattoo. I hope I wasn't acting a fool.

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 9:40

According to many sources, Henry Ford was an anti-Semite. Supporting Ford is therefore anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist, anti-Israel, un-American and terrorist enabling, right?

For years, many Jews refused to buy German cars or Fords; but maybe the stigma has been spiritually removed recently. Pastor Oy probably knows more about that than I do. Maybe he/she will return to the board and explain things to us unenlightened sinners.

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 9:40

House: I think I did see you at the game on TV. Weren't you a dancer in one of those cages with the grass skirt and coconut bra?

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 9:42

Don't start making fun of the size of my coconuts now.

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 9:45

It's a good Monday. Both the Titans and the Bills were victorious yesterday...anytime we can beat Miami, we celebrate. It's an old rivalry.

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 9:45

Our Toyota gets 34 mpg, and for $13K, I don't think GM can compete right now.

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 9:47

Loner, I think I saw Ricky Williams smoking shoe laces on the sidelines.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/09 at 9:48

My Kia gets 36 mpg and it checks our mail. I had a GM a long time ago and it threw rocks at the neighbor's house. No comparison.

By: brrrrk on 11/30/09 at 9:48

oyharward said on 11/30/09 at 8:51

"The bottom is “greed” has taken over in Organized Labor, as GM and others can no longer compete in the marketplace. American taxpayers are limited as to how much more they can pay President Obama’s election campaign in the name of Labor Unions by name.

Oscar Y. Harward
oharward@carolina.rr.com
http://conservativechristianvoice.blogspot.com"

Well, at least we know that these comments come from someone with a non-partisan perspective....

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 9:48

House: I think I did see you at the game on TV. Weren't you a dancer in one of those cages with the grass skirt and coconut bra?

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 9:50

Sorry about the double post. I thought I saw Sid on my lawn and grabbed the Winchester.

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 9:56

House: Watch out for those Toyota gas pedals. Somehow I don't think even you can survive a car stuck at 120 mph.

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 10:00

We have a Yaris, d7...it wouldn't go 120 downhill, in a hurricane.

By: govskeptic on 11/30/09 at 10:01

GM doesn't know what to do with Spring Hill at this
point! They don't want to even mention selling it
to anyone else. There's still about 800 employed
there for the for engine production and parts dist.
It was the both the Union & Gov. wanting to shore
up more employment in Mich. & retreat to a more
union friendly state that just so happened to go for
Pres. Obama. Remember why it ever went to that
location: To show that an American Co. could
compete in the same area as a Japanese Co.
(Nissan)in cost & quality. It never did!

By: Loner on 11/30/09 at 10:18

I am hoping that somebody resurrects the King Midget concept, that's the kind of retro we need, not the gas-guzzling, rubber-laying kind.

I have a chance to buy an original, running condition, King Midget, I'm toying with the idea. Here's what a Midget looks like:

http://rivercityrydes.com/gallery/PG0/med/001_King_Midget_FrontLeft.jpg

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/09 at 10:22

Gee, Loner, that's...uh...yeah...

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 10:24

Loner: An MG? British? Total pile of crap. Like the Triumph T-7. Remember when Jaguar was British? Fell apart.

By: Dragon on 11/30/09 at 10:28

-- Ford Fusion Hybrid has been named to CAR and DRIVER magazine's list of "10Best" cars for 2010; Fusion is now among America's top 10-selling vehicles and the No. 1-selling domestic car
-- The Ford Fusion recently won the prestigious MOTOR TREND Car of the Year® award
-- Ford Fusion Hybrid is America's most fuel-efficient midsize car with an EPA estimated mpg rating in the city and 36 mpg on the highway, topping the Toyota Camry hybrid by 8 mpg in the city and 2 mpg on the highway
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20091130.DE18023&show_article=1&catnum=0

VALUE - build a better product at a good price and customers will come. Not because they owe the government billions of dollars and customers are expected to buy out of a sense of patriotism.

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 10:28

House: When I sold Toyota's at Beaman, I sold a couple of Yarius's. All were to Asians. Small people. Very smart, polite AND CHEAP. Any relation?

By: dargent7 on 11/30/09 at 10:29

Dragon: Are you calling Howie Long a liar?

By: Dragon on 11/30/09 at 10:31

I bet someone pays Howie Long to say those things.