Letters to the Editor

Thursday, April 29, 2010 at 8:57pm

Editor,

Seems the great state of Arizona has come up with a novel plan to curtail illegal immigration.

The local police can stop anyone, with of course following the "probable cause" legality, and ask for "your papers, please."

If none can be produced, the person is deported on the spot. Sounds like a familiar refrain I once heard Germany's Third Reich employed. Obviously the Latino community is up in arms, calling the new law "racial profiling." 

Well, whether in San Diego — where you see bands of illegals running through turnstiles from Mexico — or all across the porous border in Arizona to Texas, where illegals climb fences, wade through streams, or pay for "coyotes" to transport them into the US, something has to be done.

Maybe Arizona is ahead of the U.S.'s learning curve, but it's a first step. Question is whether it's in the right direction.

Paul D'Argent

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Filed under: City Voices

163 Comments on this post:

By: nashmusic2244 on 4/29/10 at 9:55

Hmm, well let's analyze this for a second.

1. You knowingly and wilfully come across our country's borders illegally and you don't know what the problem is? A: You've committed a crime!

2. You knowingly and wilfully come across our country's borders and/or remain in this country after your visa expires and you don't know what the problem is?
A: You've committed a crime!

3. You knowingly and wilfully come across our country's borders and/or remain in this country illegally and give birth to children. Then when I say that your "anchor" babies should not be US citizens, you get all upset.
Q: What about the illegality of having babies in the US when you are here illegally?
A: You've committed a crime by deceiving the US government.

Eddie Garcia
Tennessee

By: bnakat on 4/29/10 at 11:59

From yesterday p.m. :
"By: DustyU on 4/29/10 at 7:03
Hello everyone, Dusty here.
I'm not back in Nashville but staying with friends in Virginia while I continue to heal up. Joey brought me my computer over so I will be online again as I feel up to it.
Hopefully the backbiters will move on to someone else now that I'm back in person.
Capt and d7 glad to see you two still holding down the fort! :)"

Welcome back to the lion's den, Dusty. Your reference to backbiters indicates your awareness of those who had determined you to be a troll--or worse. Perhaps their Internet savvy made them too suspicious of your personal critical condition, and multiple family tragedies.

Regardless, we do regret the loss of your grandson, and apparently a number of other relatives. You have mentioned your affiliation with divergent religious bodies, including ordination in one or more. A number of your posts contained terminology that would be associated with formal theological training, or extensive and intensive personal study. With that in mind, you will appreciate that some, possibly many were praying for you and yours.

It is encouraging that you have made the impressive progress that you now enjoy. Stay on the mend, and in touch.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 1:29

A very special Good Morning and WELCOME BACK DUSTY
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By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 1:50

Governor Perry of Texas does not think this to be the best way……

"I fully recognize and support a state's right and obligation to protect its citizens, but I have concerns with portions of the law passed in Arizona and believe it would not be the right direction for Texas," Perry said in a written statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/29/texas-governor-arizona-immigration-law-right-texas/

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 1:53

Is Eddie Garcia aka nashmusic pulling a brown face on us?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 2:07

From yesterday

By: idgaf on 4/29/10 at 10:44
Hey guys get a clue the KGB files prove McCarthy was right.

Show Proof

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 2:16

After a hard night of partying Blanket,house,slacker and gdia see a pretty horsy
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By: idgaf on 4/30/10 at 4:16

YES its the right decision. The law mirrors the Federal Law which both Bush and Barry refused to enforce so the states are doing what they have to do. 9 more states are considering doing the same and we should add our name to that list.

What don't the left understand about the word illegal?

They are destroying our country. We cannot support unlimited immigration.

60 % of Mexicans would like to come here and if we grant these illegals amnesty they just might come.

By: house_of_pain on 4/30/10 at 4:43

Welcome back to the forum, Dusty.
Nemo, I think I may have ridden that "horse" home a couple of times.
I won't pretend to know the whole situation in AZ, but it looks like the residents there feel as if their backs are against the wall.

By: bfra on 4/30/10 at 5:02

house - If you rode that horse home, bet you got plenty of attention.

By: house_of_pain on 4/30/10 at 5:42

Right now, there's a broad in Indiana trying to have sex with it...

By: budlight on 4/30/10 at 6:08

Great letter.

Especially whwere you say:
"Seems the great state of Arizona has come up with a novel plan to curtail illegal immigration."

I'm not sure if the idea of controlling the borders, monitoring immigration and documenting citizens is a "novel" idea though. It seems there are FEDERAL laws already on the books and the Fed. Gov-ment is NOT enforcing the laws and/or managing the flow of immigrants.

The border signs should read: WELCOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS; check in at the desk and register.

(by the way, for those who commented on my spelling of government, I just shorten the word to gov-ment cause I figure every knows what I mean. I could go shorter with "gov" but that could be gov-ment or gov-nor!

By: budlight on 4/30/10 at 6:09

DustyU, Yahoooo! Welcome back. Remember "Virginia is for Lovers" and we know you love living, so heal up, bud.

Also, Tell your grandson BrianU, et al, hello for me.

Ya-hooooooo!

Off to work.

By: dargent7 on 4/30/10 at 6:16

House & gD: I think I've found a part time job for you guys. LA is looking for workers to clean up the oil spill familiar with "skimming operations". Perfect.

By: house_of_pain on 4/30/10 at 6:18

d7, I told them to get a giant biscuit, and sop that sh*t up like it was gravy.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 6:26

We have id and budwinkle indorsing the Arizona plan so it really must be an evil idea.

They would have cheered Hitler branding the Jews

By: dargent7 on 4/30/10 at 6:31

House: I think the hiring of good ole' boys from the South with their basic knowledge of oil rig/ platform mechanics and extensive expertise is greatly underrated.

By: Dragon on 4/30/10 at 6:34

Paul, your letter is misleading and incorrect. Have you actually read Arizona's law?
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 6:35

The budwinkle thinks of a good way to make her babysitting job easier.
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By: govskeptic on 4/30/10 at 6:38

All this Hitler bs from both sides is so off the mark
it's become both tiring and rather silly. I wonder how
most of us would feel if we were walking in the shoes
of most citizens of Arizona with this problem?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 6:42

Are you talking about brown or white shoes gov?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 6:45

By: Dragon on 4/30/10 at 7:34
Paul, your letter is misleading and incorrect. Have you actually read Arizona's law?
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

I find it amazing that Dragon reads.

By: gdiafante on 4/30/10 at 7:01

Well, Dusty's back...I still say something's rotten in the state of Denmark. But that's just me, I'm jaded. At least the Wings lost last night.

By: bfra on 4/30/10 at 7:01

Nemo - I find it amazing that (wink) some people at their age, can't read.

By: bfra on 4/30/10 at 7:03

g - Did you read about the Red Wings breaking the airport curfew?

By: house_of_pain on 4/30/10 at 7:04

Did the airline make the Red Wings check their douchebags?

By: gdiafante on 4/30/10 at 7:04

I didn't, but it doesn't surprise me, they're out of control. Too bad that Arizona law couldn't have had them all deported during the first round.

By: dargent7 on 4/30/10 at 7:21

Dragon: You and idgaf are opposite sides of the same coin.
The LTE is actually pro the AZ law. But Democrats, like myself, tend to have open ended questions on human problems and situations, not one sentence "one-liners" that describe the entire situation in black and white, YES or NO.
You know what I know about AZ, and is what we read or see on TV.
Sherrif Arpiro is on every station, 24/7 defending this law as to not be "racial profiling". But, are the Police going to ask white caucasians for proof of citizenship?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 7:22

If there are no jobs north of the border then there want be any people coming to take them. Go after the people that hire them!!!

By: govskeptic on 4/30/10 at 7:26

tax paying, constitution respecting, law abiding in all respects,
border respecting shoes were the type of wear I had hoped to
convey!

By: Dragon on 4/30/10 at 7:36

Paul, your letter stated "The local police can stop anyone, with of course following the "probable cause" legality, and ask for "your papers, please. If none can be produced, the person is deported on the spot."

That statement is untrue and merely adds to the rhetoric. Most of what we see on TV is opinions and sells airtime and newspapers. I have to discount the arguments about what the law MIGHT lead to or what the police MIGHT in violation of the law.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 7:41

gov

What of the Hispanics who family was in living in Arizona before the Caucasian moved in. You seem to overlook that it will be these citizen that will have to show papers in the own country. Not the whites.

By: yogiman on 4/30/10 at 7:41

When did our 'so-called' national government en-act that law giving babies born to illegal mothers "born in the USA" citizenship? Are they considered "natural born" citizens. That would mean they would be eligible to run for the Oval Office and then just open the whole dam_ border.

If what I learned in history was correct (back in them days), babies born to women in the process of becoming citizens were giving natural citizenship. Until then, a baby born while their mother was working on her citizenship had to start the whole process at their birth and be seven years old before they could that that test... IN ENGLISH!

By: dargent7 on 4/30/10 at 7:47

Dragon: Obviously, you've never lived East of Nashville.
In Phoenix or San Diego, cops pull you over for a "moving violation". Fine.
Ask for you "Driver License, Registration, proof of insurance". Never "Passport".
If a white guy doesn't have either or all, they still run a W & W on him. If clean, write him/ her a ticket to Appear in Court.
With AZ new law, if a Latino/ Hispanic doesn't have any, or a Green Card, they can be arrested. Police don't ask white Causians for a "Green Card". That's the rub.
Get it yet?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 7:49

So being born in the USA does not make you a citizen? Does this mean that you are not a USA citizen yogi? Or would it exclude you because you are not Hispanic?

By: yogiman on 4/30/10 at 7:52

Since we are all entitled to our personal opinions (I think), I think Arizona did a great job in the process of protecting her own citizens. All other states should play copy cat.

Back in the older days, people would come into the USA without problems, work or visit then go home. Many of them on the border cities worked in the US and went home at night to be with their families. Service men (back then) never had to have a pass port to go the Mexico night clubs, or even roam the cities. The whole issue is pure politics.

One requirement (back in the 1940s) was you had to be out of Boot Camp in San Diego before you could go across the border into Tiajuana. (did I spell that right?)

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 7:53

I am beginning to think that the only laws that some on the right understand is what Rush/Beck or Fox tells them.

By: Dragon on 4/30/10 at 7:54

If a white guy has no ID, they take him in. Can't run a W & W if they don't know the ID.

By federal law, all legal immigrants are required to carry their green cards at all times. An Arizona drivers license is sufficient to prove legality. All the talk about "papers, please" is bogus.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 7:55

By: yogiman on 4/30/10 at 8:52
Since we are all entitled to our personal opinions (I think), I think Arizona did a great job in the process of protecting her own citizens. All other states should play copy cat.

Then you think that Nazi Germany did the right thing about the jews?

By: gdiafante on 4/30/10 at 7:56

Hmmm...have to side with Dragon on this one. Immigration is out of control, the government has dropped the ball since 1986 (amnesty). Of course there's going to be profiling, just like there was after 9/11.

Mexicans are the ones entering illegally en masse, why would law enforcement be on the lookout for Asians?

And if you read the bill, it has penalties for employers, although the "unkowningly" part of it is a little naive.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 7:57

To bad I have got to go, because this going to be an interesting day.

Have a good weekend
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By: Captain Nemo on 4/30/10 at 8:00

Stop the Hiring Of Illegal. Go after the ones that do.

By: house_of_pain on 4/30/10 at 8:03

gd, that "unknowingly" sh*t is more than just a little naive.

By: yogiman on 4/30/10 at 8:08

I think you misread me, Capt.Nemo. I was referring to history. Remember, things that happened in the past? In this instance, way back in the past.

When our nation was being brought forth by people from all over the world wanting to start a new life, they had to go through a medical checkup. If they weren't goo healthy people, they were sent back home. They had to live in this country 7 years before becoming citizens. They had to take a test IN ENGLISH to become a citizen. Well, many of them din't wait for seven years before they had a baby so the baby had to go through the seven year process to become citizens. Now, if that woman had a baby on the last day she became a citizen, that baby would have a American mother and be a foreigner. A law was passed to stop that stupid process and babies born to women in the process of becoming a citizen were given a nationally born status. To be a natural born citizen, Momma and Daddy have to be American citizens, not just one of them.

By: Funditto on 4/30/10 at 8:44

Nemo is right - go after the people who employ and exploit illegals and they will stop coming. It's very simple.

By: gdiafante on 4/30/10 at 8:47

Funditto, given the language of the bill, business has very good lobbyists. They have a loophole, as always.

By: gdiafante on 4/30/10 at 8:49

Call me crazy, but I thought we should have closed the borders after 9/11 and revamped the entire immigration system. That should have been priority number one.

By: skeptic1 on 4/30/10 at 9:21

Of course illegals are going to protest this law. It is all they can do until they are given amnesty and allowed to vote, but if certain liberal democrats are hoping to get those votes as payback for granting another amnesty, they might be disappointed. These newly made citizens will vote for a peer. We all vote for those with whom we feel an affinity.

Why shouldn't Arizona have this law to protect their sovereign states borders? According to my civics class in HS, we are a union of sovereign states.

Why shouldn't states be authorized to aid the federal government in carrying out immigration enforcement? The feds certainly expect the states to carry out other programs, i.e. distributing Food Stamps, Unemployment Insurance, Medicare/Medicaid. These are Federal programs for which states provide the services. What is the big difference here?

Finally, if I get pulled over for speeding (it happens) I fully expect the policeman to ask to see my driver's license. Several scenarios might happen at this juncture: 1) I provide my valid driver's license which indicates that the state's drivers licensing bureau has vetted my identity and address. I get a ticket for speeding. 2) My license is expired so I get 2 tickets. 3) I provide a driver's license, but it is forged or stolen. The clever policeman is suspicious and locks me up until I make bail and disappear. 4) I do not provide any driver's license or proof of residence, much less citizenship. The stupid policeman locks me up until the ICE man cometh to deport me. I wait three days and cross the border at a different location and head for Miami or California, wherever they won't check my ID. I will continue my clandestine lifestyle until I am caught again or ... I live to collect Social Security and other government provided services to the elderly and infirm without ever having paid a single penny into Income Tax, FICA or Medicare.

By: Dragon on 4/30/10 at 9:25

And all the protests are slated for tomorrow (May Day, i.e., International Workers Day).

By: MamaG on 4/30/10 at 9:42

Where is all the fun today? LOL