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Monday, February 7, 2011 at 10:05pm

 

I am off somewhere else, but my heart is with my Egyptian friends in Nashville. I am so glad to read that they have made public statement by [turning] out in support of the struggle against tyranny. I wish I also had read that thousands of good Methodists and Baptists and Episcopalians and Catholics and atheists, et al., had turned out along with them. Egyptian People need to know that, as with their own plight, the American people are really and truly not "represented" by our government, by the politicians and policy makers and self-important talking heads on television.

Most of the world's peoples are good people, and it is my hope that the "good people" of all nations and religions will at some point be "in touch" and realize this. Tyranny can be defeated by the new ability to communicate. And you will see the tyrants working hard to prevent such communicating among the world's peoples.

I wish us all well in the struggle.

Posted by "LizzyD"

66 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 5:13

Should of been signed by 'Dizzy Dean".
My experience and belief is that most of "the world's peoples" are crazy peoples.
What is this statement, "American people are NOT represented by our government and our politicians"?
We sure as hell are, Dizzy.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/8/11 at 5:25

Good morning

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By: Captain Nemo on 2/8/11 at 5:25

I have found that when you remove the ideology of religion and politics from people that you will find that most people are good. It is when they defend their particular beliefs is when you can see the ugliness in humanity.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/8/11 at 5:34

From yesterday

By: dargent7 on 2/7/11 at 4:46
"House"...everyone knows Nemo rides both ways.
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Smile when you say that.

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 6:00

"rides" s/h/b "goes".
I regret the error.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 6:50

Kum-By-Yah.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 6:52

Hey, LizzieD, come on out and play. How 'bout a little dialogue an debtae?

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 7:09

Sorry, my dyslexia meds have not kicked in; that would be "dialogue and debate".
I'm OK now.....I think.

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 7:12

This forum is starting to remind me of the line in "Airplane!" by Leslie Nielsen when the stewardess asks him the result of eating the contaminated fish: "drooling, uncontrolled flatuence, itching, fever,... and then the poor bastard becomes a useless piece of jelly"....

By: house_of_pain on 2/8/11 at 7:40

Whee...

By: gdiafante on 2/8/11 at 8:05

""drooling, uncontrolled flatuence, itching, fever,... and then the poor bastard becomes a useless piece of jelly"....

Darge, describing yourself in the act has nothing to do with Egypt...

By: Captain Nemo on 2/8/11 at 8:06

I understood debeat, but hten ym dysxel is working.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/8/11 at 8:07

lol g

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 8:57

gD: Yes, that was a semi-autobiographical statement.
What did you think of the Black Eyed Peas at the SB?
I know you know your music....eg., Moonlight Sonata.
I simply do not find them any good at any level.
"Fergie" has some pipes, but having her mimic Axle Rose w/ Slash was total crap.
Your take?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/8/11 at 9:19

“Set of Pipes”, is that what you call them now a day dargent?

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 9:19

The Black-Eyed Peas did the gig for free....you get what you pay for, I suppose.

Here's the link:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.13978/title.the-black-eyed-peas-reportedly-played-super-bowl-halftime-show-for-free

I liked the leather-clad lass's @ss and very sturdy legs....what more could you ask for?

It's a spectacle and I actually enjoyed the show. Whether it was air-guitar and lip-sync, I don't know...but the wired dancers and pyrotechnics gave it some sparkle....I want one of those wired jumpsuits...for Brushwood.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 9:28

Fun Bags are not Pipes, Captain Nemo, nor are they Bag Pipes. Lady Lumps and Larynx are two different items. The lusty lass belted out her songs with a powerful voice.....and she had the hooters to back up the pipes, IMO.

No cheerleaders at the SB this year....the half-time show had all the T&A you're gonna see. I tell you, we are sinking into theocracy; did you guys notice those very long dresses on the ladies in that pre-game choral group? Looked like Mennonite outfits or the nun-lite look. (Holy Wars Suck!)

I dunno, a little T&A is always a good addition to any genuine spectacle, IMO.

Hooters and booty naturally go well with bread and circus....the Romans had that part right.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/8/11 at 9:32

I just got through watching the SB Half Time on You Tube since I did not get to watch Sunday. She is HOT and The Peas are about the only Hip Hop group I like. I thought it was good, but a not of people I talk with did not like it.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/8/11 at 9:33

LOL Loner.

I got to go now.

By: gdiafante on 2/8/11 at 9:37

They didn't sound good, darge. Not sure what was wrong the the level on Fergie's mic, but she was out in front too much. I've read where they're not very good live, they certainly lived up to that review.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 9:43

If LizzyD would come out here and post, we might drift back to the topic.

She mentioned the new forms of communication now in the hands of the people as a weapon against tyranny. I agree with that.

"Hosin' Hosne" Mubarak's henchmen turned off the internet and cell phone services right off the bat. The internet , with its potent search engines, like Google, is having more impact than Gutenberg's printing press, IMO. And the impact is more sudden and quite unexpected by old-school tyrants.

Now is the time for all oppressed people to rise up against tyranny, before the tyrants learn how to defeat the new technologies of liberation...the boogey-man of ignorance is on the run. There's no going back.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 9:52

See you later, Captain Nemo.

They used to drop propaganda leaflets on the oppressed and/or occupied civilian populations, perhaps the US should drop cell-phones to these people....on second thought, no way, they'd use them as detonation devices for IED's.

By: revo-lou on 2/8/11 at 10:20

Loner, forever the rebel. Or guerilla.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 10:41

Actually, Revo, my favorite "rebel;" was Mohandas (Mahatma) Gandhi...peaceful civil disobedience and leadership through example...Gandhi had it, IMO.

He succeeded in getting the British out of India....in a relatively peaceful transition, from colonial rule to to nationalism and self-rule. As democracies go, India's is not too shabby, considering the diversity and enormity of its population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 11:01

If only the Palestinians would emulate Ghandi....civil disobedience, coupled with modern communications systems can have immediate positive effects. Suicide bombers, home-made rocket attacks and related terrorist tactics are absolutely counter-productive to the stated goals of the Palestinian people.

My advice to the Pals, would be to abandon the so-called, "two-state solution". It would be an apartheid solution. The Palestinian state idea is not going to fly. Israel is not going to go away; the Israelis are there to stay.

The Pals need to consider the one-state solution. Israel would absorb all of Jerusalem, the West Bank and possibly Gaza. The stateless Arabs now living there would become Israeli citizens.

This would bring the number of Arab Israeli citizens from the present level of 19%, to a level near 50%. The ballot would replace the bullet.

The problem is this: the "Jewish State" concept would be forced to compromise with the democratic forces of modernity. The Separation walls would come down and Israel would become the secular, pluralistic, representative democracy that it claims to be.

It seems like the USA would back such a power-sharing plan...but don't bet on that.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/8/11 at 11:04

Gandhi was a good one. It's hard to argue with his success. His timing was good too.

I like Lizzy's observation:
"Tyranny can be defeated by the new ability to communicate."

You'll notice that the leader tried to squash the whole effort by shutting down the internet and cell phones. Apparently that wasn't effective enough and probably also solidified more people against him.

Note that our leaders (Bush and Obama) have made efforts to stake claims on controlling the internet. For our own good mind you!

The Patriot Act is up for a vote today-
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

Go to that link and enter your zip code then tell your rep to vote NO on continuing the (un)Patriot Act.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/8/11 at 11:12

Loner, do you think the current Israeli citizens want the others as Israeli citizens? I'm asking for your observations, you seem to read the news over there a lot.

It would be better if they quit blowing things up and simply had non-violent sit-ins. It's hard to claim Iran/Hezbolla/Syria/whatever is supplying them with bombs when they're not harming anyone.

If you're after 72 virgins (a selfish sort of focus for a "religious" person isn't it?) then I guess the plan of peaceful protest and potential mass arrest just doesn't get the result you're really after.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 11:15

Hey, Amy.....Joe Lieberman had that baby already typed up and xeroxed off before the flames were out and the smoke had cleared in Manhattan.

Jowly Joe is finally stepping down, hard to believe that he was as close to becoming US Vice President as one can get...then he turned on his own party and went rogue...he supported McCain-Palin.

Yes, it's time to reject fear-based governance and the War Lobby agenda.

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 11:18

Last year it was The Who, this year, the Black Eyed Peas.
It's kinda like our Presidential elections...is this, out of 325 million people, all we've got?
Christ..bring on Duran Duran or Boy George.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 11:28

I agree, Amy, Islamic Jihadism and Gandhi's passive resistance are at opposite ends of the poles.

As for Jewish Israelis accepting that many new Arab citizens, right now, that would be a tough sell. But, many Israelis are tiring of the constant Holy War paradigm. If genuine peace and prosperity is the Israeli goal, then inclusion of these people must be considered.

Naturally, the Shas Party would reject such a deal. The professional zealots for Zionism would reject the idea as well. The brutal violence over the years has made the Israeli population very suspicious of their Semitic neighbors.

The Israeli left is quite weak and quite right of center. It would be a tough, but not impossible sell. The US would have to back the plan with incentives to both sides.

The Arabs would also largely reject the 1-state solution, as I outlined it. But many Palestinians are tiring of the fight and just want a chance to live and work in peace.
Again, they have their religious zealots too.

Here in the states, the Christian right would condemn the idea as un-Scriptural and Satanic. Ergo, the US will not back the plan anytime soon.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 11:33

Darge....How about ZZ Top at next year's SB? That's about as All-American as it gets, IMO.

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 11:46

Or the Bee Gees.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 11:49

GB's are GBLT friendly, no?

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 11:50

BG's, not GB's......need THC.

By: house_of_pain on 2/8/11 at 12:01

I vote for STP.

By: house_of_pain on 2/8/11 at 12:07

Here Come The Mummies would put on an entertaining halftime show.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/8/11 at 12:07

ZZ SB BG THC STP ... make it stop!

By: gdiafante on 2/8/11 at 12:12

Metallica with special guests Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax.

That is the definitive half time show.

By: BenDover on 2/8/11 at 12:33

"I want one of those wired jumpsuits...for Brushwood." That's great, loner. You should incorporate some luminosity into your monk cloak.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 12:48

Absolutely, Ben. I could be "born-again", so to speak. From sage-monk to aged-punk.
Maybe I leave the wired jumpsuits for the young ones.....or not. I'd look good, after sundown in that outfit, riding my balloon-tired Sears Hawthorn bicycle around the campsite.

By: Loner on 2/8/11 at 12:52

Slip Knot slipped a groove and their bassist died recently, if I recall. They went "soft", according to many critics. ...some say they "evolved".

By: gdiafante on 2/8/11 at 1:07

Most hard rock/heavy metal bands lighten up eventually. Most people like to forget that Zeppelin had "All my love" at the end...

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 1:27

I thought it was, "And she's buying a stairway, to Heaven...."
And The Beatles had, "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make".

By: gdiafante on 2/8/11 at 1:38

"All my Love" was a song on the album "In Through the Out Door", the last studio release before Bonham died. Many people, including Page, consider the song and album to be very soft.

By: BenDover on 2/8/11 at 2:49

I can picture you on the cycle now, loner... like some new-age twist on the electric cowboy theme...

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 3:04

Zeppelin had some very bad songs. "All My Love" was one of them...."Black Dog", "When the Levee Breaks" all sucked.
Led Zep II album was as good as Rubber Soul or Revolver.
"Stairway to Heaven" was as good as "Hey Jude".
But, I grew up with Ted Nugent, Bob Seger, MC-5, The Frost, Three Dog Night, Alice Cooper, ......so what do I know?

By: gdiafante on 2/8/11 at 3:09

I disagree about "Black Dog" and "Levee". The drum sound in "Levee" is the epitome of hard rock drums. Though both were blues rip-offs, something for which Zeppelin was notorious.

I agree about Zep II, their best album BY FAR. It's the sound...it was a studio album that sounded live. Hell, the sound level was pegged, you can hear it on "Killing Fields"...that's rock and roll.

By: house_of_pain on 2/8/11 at 3:09

Don't forget the Little River Band, Player, and the Carpenters, d7.

By: gdiafante on 2/8/11 at 3:15

Before you start, darge, "Killing Fields" is part of "The Lemon Song". It's the fast part.

By: dargent7 on 2/8/11 at 3:32

Oh, and how could I forget? Mitch Ryder and The Detroit Wheels.
I used to drink 2 bottles of Boone's Farm and go 'Woodwarding' (pickin' up chicks) and "Rock 'N Roll" came on.
I think Lou Reed wrote it.
I should be in jail. Life.
But then, Alice Cooper's, "I'm Eighteen" came on and all was back to normal.
What did you rednecks listen to at age 17?