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Wednesday, March 9, 2011 at 9:05pm

 

I agree that unions have become burdensome in some instances, but so are corporations. Are we going to ban them too? The fact is that the GOP is union busting because it's a significant chunk of the Democrat vote. End of story. And this is not an idea that has a mandate from the people. See Wisconsin. In fact, nationwide polling indicates that it's not a popular idea at all. And doing so will not create jobs or make education suddenly more efficient. This is a sideshow, as once again the politicians in charge sidestep what should be done in order to improve the economy and instead focus on idealogical nonsense in order to stir the base.

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By: dargent7 on 3/10/11 at 6:31

gD: Good post. Want to join my study group?
We meet at Publix on West End.
You'll know us...we're the one's being interviewed by the police for shoplifting Depends.

By: yogiman on 3/10/11 at 6:53

Where's your proof on that statement. gdiafante? Who is making that nationwide poll? Isn't everyone entitled to their own opinion on the benefits of a union?

Unions are like all other organizations reasons, some are good, some are bad. Your own opinion is all that matters... to you.

By: Loner on 3/10/11 at 7:45

Good morning, Nashville!

Great comment, Gdiafante. I totally agree with your analysis.

In the former confederacy, the word, "union" is still held in general contempt. When Nixon's Southern strategy brought the solid south into the GOP herd, the old ignorance came with the new converts.

The Grand Old Party took a dive in 1968 and they are still diving, apparently to the very bottom.....the goal seems to be the destruction of our federal government and a break-up of the fifty state union. If they can accomplish that, then things like a minimum wage, sick time, pensions, workman's comp, paid holidays etc. will be long gone. Workers will then work for slave wages and the middle class will disappear, leaving only the destitute and the super-wealthy.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/10/11 at 7:51

good post, g. i agree.

btw, i think yogi is jealous of your mad posting skilz....

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/10/11 at 7:52

this is just another GOP/big business powergrab.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/10/11 at 7:54

Missouri is trying to get rid of child labor laws. That is scary as well. Good bye to the middle class. Loner is right - we'll soon be back to long days with no benefits and little pay, let alone a pension. So much for the "free market."

By: Loner on 3/10/11 at 8:00

I remember when Nelson Rockefeller was our Governor in New York. Although he was a Republican, Rocky had the support of the labor unions; I know, because my Dad was a union carpenter and we had a Rocky bumper sticker on the station wagon.

Rocky would be driven out of the GOP tent, if he were alive today...he was pro-union and a secular humanist.....the GOP has deteriorated to being the party of the rich and their useful idiots. Today, the GOP is all about states rights, nullification of federal law and Judeo-Christian prophecy fulfillment (Holy Land-Chosen People, Armageddon, gay bashing etc.)

By: gdiafante on 3/10/11 at 8:08

Here you go yogi:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/four_national_polls_show_stron.html

I have more if you need them.

By: gdiafante on 3/10/11 at 8:09

Thanks blanket, good to hear from you again!

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 8:12

Good morning

http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/images/icons/travelstotheedge/gallery/101/Ep101_1.jpg

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 8:13

Good post gdia and I agree. Now that the GOP have made an illegal move in Wisconsin, I can see law suits and recalls a coming.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/10/11 at 8:15

what happened in WI is a disgrace.

'mornin' Nemo and g. good to see you too!

By: house_of_pain on 3/10/11 at 8:23

I agree with most of the posts this morning.
Especially the one about shoplifting Depends.

By: gdiafante on 3/10/11 at 8:24

Well, they're going to bust the teachers union here. I'm not sure how that really improves education. Could someone please explain to me how, in an industry where salaries are already very low, eliminating collective bargaining rights will suddenly attract quality teachers that are willing to work for less knowing they have no bargaining power?

This may work briefly when you have a bad economy, but what happens when it recovers? What happens when the private sector becomes attractive again? Is the state going to be competitive with their wages and benefits?

Are qualified candidates completely oblivious to the implications of this movement?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 8:25

When yogi demands proof he is answered with the evidence. When we ask him to show proof, he whines that he ain’t computer smart or want us to proved him wrong.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 8:31

Good morning Blanket.

gdia-

That is what I think will happen. The private will get all of the good workers and the public will get the leftovers or worst.

We are becoming The Un-United States of America.

By: serr8d on 3/10/11 at 8:32

See Wisconsin.

I see a circus of spittle-flecked dirty socialists and hippies, union thugs and leftists, moochers and Nationalsozialistische American Arbeiterpartei brown shirts.

In a dress rehearsal for a civil war.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 8:34

As most Gophers (sic) go, they can not think pass their greed and ambitions of complet power.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 8:38

This act by the GOP in Wisconsin is very un-America and more in line of that of a Hostile Corporate Takeover.

By: dargent7 on 3/10/11 at 8:47

I think it was "Nemo" who got off on a technicality...the package did say, "Free Trial Offer".
So, he tried them on in the store, alise 9. Honest mistake.

By: gdiafante on 3/10/11 at 8:47

Civil War? Sounds treasonous to me...but at least numbnutz is being honest. The GOP is doing their best to divide this country, perhaps irreversibly so.

Notice that there is a bill being proposed right here in TN that would allow the state to issue its own currency.

Sounds like they're preparing for an insurgency, huh?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 8:53

You are right about that serr8d; what the GOP has done in Wisconsin is an act of treason.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 8:54

It was not me d7. I have been there yet and I don’t make the same mistake twice. ;-)

By: govskeptic on 3/10/11 at 9:16

Apparently a large enough number of the Legislators feel they
are representing their voters in these proposed educational
reform bills to pass them. Of course, they aren't worried about
the opinions of those from out of state nor those who think
every move made has to do with a very distant war. The TEA
has done nothing to show any improvements they have made
toward education, nor that their future existence would mean
anything other than status Quo!

By: treefrogdk on 3/10/11 at 9:19

this MAY be the last time i post this, but, dang, it needs to get out there!:
Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't.
A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."
In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)
Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.
In Congress, Republicans have proposed a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.
Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.
And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.
Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.
Congress voted on a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.
And if that weren't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up).

By: treehugger7 on 3/10/11 at 9:21

Tennessee currency options:
tenny penny
dickel nickel
dimestore cowboys
quarterhorses'a**
tennessee holler dollar

By: serr8d on 3/10/11 at 9:23

"An act of treason"

Show me, you two fail buffoons, where in the Constitution public sector unions are guaranteed? Show me how Republicans, who patiently waited for the Fleebaggers to come back to do their jobs, did wrong by passing the legislation legally without their input? Because they, the Wisconsin 14, are the treasonous cowards who couldn't stand that their party lost the election in November, couldn't stand that the unholy bond between Democrats and public sector unions was being severed (as was done in Idaho and Indiana and, hopefully, everywhere else.

No, this was the right thing to do. As was done to us by Pelosi and Reid, when ObamaCare was artfully passed over the will of the majority of Americans.

Get over it, losers. The nation will be stronger for dividing Democrats from their cash cows, the public sector unions.

By: revo-lou on 3/10/11 at 9:25

{By: treehugger7 on 3/10/11 at 8:21
Tennessee currency options:
tenny penny
dickel nickel
dimestore cowboys
quarterhorses'a**
tennessee holler dollar}

Bullets.

By: serr8d on 3/10/11 at 9:26

Here's your party, ever so close to the violence you like to say is "Tea Party"...

Mayhem engulfed the state capitol following the vote. Thousands of protesters streamed into the four wings of the historic white-granite building, screaming at the GOP lawmakers, who were quickly escorted out by police. College students from the University of Wisconsin’s Madison campus mingled with union leaders, teachers raised fists with progressive organizers. Cries of “Shame!” echoed throughout the marble halls.

Senate Republicans were harried by swarming crowds. “We tried to get out of the building after the vote, because they were rushing the chamber, and we were escorted by security through a tunnel system to another building. But, after being tipped off by a Democrat, they mobbed the exit at that building, and were literally trying to break the windows of the cars we were in as we were driving away,” Republican senator Randy Hopper tells NRO. Such tactics, he sighs, were hardly unexpected. “I got a phone call yesterday saying that we should be executed. I’ve had messages saying that they want to beat me with a billy club.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261812/endgame-wisconsin-robert-costa

By: dargent7 on 3/10/11 at 9:29

TreeFrog: Good post.
All one needs to do is listen to Palin, Bachmann, O'Donnell, Angle, Huckabee, Gingrich, Pawlenty and see where that party is stuck and headed.
Palin, alone, with an unplanned pregnancy and daughter's preg. at 15 says it all.
Sick, sociopathic, people. Called, and known as, the GOP.
Obama by 3 in 2012.

By: gdiafante on 3/10/11 at 9:29

Oh shut your hole, serr8d, your BS doesn't fly anymore. You're nothing more than an extremist nutbag riding on the tails of the tea baggers. I've got news for you, the rest of us (you know, the majority) ain't buying it. Keep on with your irrelevant, quite treasonous, and very cowardly rhetoric, you're just another annoying fly caught inside a window.

We don't even need a fly swatter...in time you'll just die off and we'll dispose of the carcass and move on.

By: treehugger7 on 3/10/11 at 9:38

Thanks, revo-lou. How could I forget the state's answer for everything?!

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 9:40

Your words butterknife. You are calling for civil war. That is treason.

By: serr8d on 3/10/11 at 7:32
See Wisconsin.
I see a circus of spittle-flecked dirty socialists and hippies, union thugs and leftists, moochers and Nationalsozialistische American Arbeiterpartei brown shirts.

In a dress rehearsal for a civil war.

By: revo-lou on 3/10/11 at 9:44

Yes treehugger7, we have many millionaires in the making if bullets were to become the state’s currency. And, of course they come in convenient carrying cases with an easy to deliver method.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 9:46

Does anyone care to make a bet that there was a pool of drool at serr8d feet when he made the last two posts? lol

By: revo-lou on 3/10/11 at 9:46

I do hope serr is on the "front line" instead of holed up in mommy's basement. He will be easy to spot of course, wet pants and puddle notwithstanding, but because of the knocking knees.

By: Community-carl-... on 3/10/11 at 9:56

Gdiafante,

To paraphrase your own words: The unions are a significant chunk of the democratic vote. ......In my view, the unions own the Democratic party, both of whom will promise and give anything to stay in power. Sadly, this has increasingly snared and continued to enslave large segments of the US population who avoid personal responsibility and initiative for maintaining and improving their own lives. The already overbloated and too costly government cannot take care of every aspect of all people's lives. Overly generous government entitlement programs have methodically and insideously undermined many individuals' initiative and motivation to provide and care for themselves and their families for the past several generations. The Democratic montra has become "give us your vote, and in exchange we'll give you another entitlement. Another word for this situation is "Enabling."

Wake up, people! Formerly enslaved peoples are unwittingly once again enslaved by overdependance on governmental assistance and entitlements; hence, personal initiative and motivation are destroyed, along with self confidence and sense of personal worth. As far as I am concerned, the Democratic party might as well be called the Socialist party. (although I am not in love with the Republican party either.)

I personally wish there was some way the American political system could be modified so that political party affiliations and partisanship no longer existed, and citizens could vote for the "individual" rather than "the party." I am increasingly alarmed at the ongoing, mean spirited gridlock between Democrats and Republicans. It seems like nobody is watching out for the struggling middle class working families who are finding it increasingly difficult to stay motivated to be self-sufficient and finacially afloat. The day of reckoning is fast approaching.....the US is, for all practical purposes, bankrupt (finacially and morally), and at some point, life as we know it is going to come to a sudden and crashing stop when all of our finacial resources and international lines of credit are maxed out. Personally, I would rather endure restructuring with moderate pain now, rather than remainig in a state of denial and suffering UNBEARABLE pain when we finally become maxed out and face total national financial collapse and possible hostile takeover.

May God help us all.

By: yogiman on 3/10/11 at 10:01

I got news for you, gdiafante. The dimwits got voted out of office. According to your bitching, apparently the minorities outvoted the majorities. Isn't that enough proof for you to understand what the people want?

Sorry, I didn't know you couldn't think that well so early in the morning.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 10:08

Community-carl, to paraphrase you…the GOP is in the pockets of Big Corporation and will do anything to stay in power.

By: revo-lou on 3/10/11 at 10:09

In what realm does serr live that he would think that people would not be upset to have their fiscal lives directly manipulate and altered without any input from them, the very people that are affected? I am sure that he lives in such a world that he takes whatever is handed him, (not) but the rest of us live in a much more real world.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 10:13

There goes yogi not answering the question that gdia asked. Instead he does his usual song and dance to deflect his inability to answer direct questions.

By: gdiafante on 3/10/11 at 10:14

Again, yogi, you display your complete ignorance of the subject at hand. Do you dispute the link I submitted? Here are several more.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-22-poll-public-unions-wisconsin_N.htm

http://www.pollingreport.com/work.htm

I also stated that the midterm results were, essentially, it's the economy, stupid. So, for your homework assignment, you can cite your credible sources that indicate that the midterms were a mandate from the people desiring the elimination of collective bargaining rights.

I also find it interesting that while the GOP criticized Dems for being preoccupied with health care while ignoring unemployment and then attempting to ram through unpopular legislation, they are doing the exact same thing regarding collective bargaining rights.

Hypocrites.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 10:15

It is not in our universe, rev. I think it is in a padded cell.

By: yogiman on 3/10/11 at 10:16

Well posted Community-carl. I couldn't agree with you any more.

I have wondered for decades why there was two political parties in our nation. Are they in office to represent us, or only themselves? It looks like only themselves on both sides of the aisle.

Why did congress authorize a term limit for the president's office but not the senate and house? Only they know.

Isn't it great they can set their own salary, health care benefits and retirement programs?

I hope all of these "all government" fools are ready for the communist takeover. Hopefully, they are all Boy Scouts so they can "be prepared".

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 10:22

It must be true about the communist take over; they are already in yogi’s head.

By: treefrogdk on 3/10/11 at 10:22

the governator of wisconsin is in my building as i tap. hmmmm

By: MamaG on 3/10/11 at 10:29

Greetings and good morning to all my old friends!!! I see we also have some new ones and a good morning to you all as well!

I like treehugger7's: quarterhorses'a** and of course, revo-lou's: bullets!

How has everyone been doing?

By: revo-lou on 3/10/11 at 10:33

{By: MamaG on 3/10/11 at 9:29
Greetings and good morning to all my old friends!!! I see we also have some new ones and a good morning to you all as well!

I like treehugger7's: quarterhorses'a** and of course, revo-lou's: bullets!

How has everyone been doing?}

Fired up!

By: Captain Nemo on 3/10/11 at 10:45

Hello MamaG

By: MamaG on 3/10/11 at 10:46

And ready to rumble? Ha!
I'm being Wet Willy and try to keep on smiling til the sun comes out again!