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Monday, May 9, 2011 at 9:05pm

 

Federal, state, and local law already thoroughly cover making terrorism, threats of violence, harassment, etc., illegal.

[The legislative proposal to give state officials authority to decide which individuals or organizations constitute a domestic terrorist entity] is yet another example of the state Republicans whipping up xenophobic sentiments among their close-minded fundamentalist base to ensure that they have their full support when it comes to their real agenda: lining their fatcat pockets.

If this bill does what it purports, it is useless, redundant and a waste of legislative effort when so many people are out of work and we could be focusing on our economy.

That's the optimistic view.

More likely is that this bill does cover new ground that other law doesn't already cover: persecution of anyone "not like us," removal of due process and First Amendment protections, and institutionalizing the narrow-minded hate of right-wing Christians.

We've come a long way since the Founding Fathers separated matters of religion from matters of government. Every day I read this paper, I find some new way in which Tennessee is indeed "leading" the nation into miserable decades we'll apologize to our grandchildren for.

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By: Loner on 5/10/11 at 10:17

"Domestic Terrorist Entity": Acronym DTE...an acronym shared with "Domain and Type Enforcement", "Distance to Empty", "Dumb Terminal Emulator", "Detect To Engage", "Discharge Toxicity Evaluation", "Distance To Endpoint" and thirty others.

I suggested adding "Domestic Terrorist Entity", here's the source:

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DTE

By: yogiman on 5/10/11 at 10:39

Maybe you should re-read the Constitution, revo-lou. I know its a little before your time, but when our founders developed this nation thye had certain requirements people were allowed to follow before they were allowed into this country.

Remember Ellis Island? Remember Treasure Island? Remember them from your history lessons? Or weren't they taught in you elementary classes?

That's when everyone coming to America from a foreign nation had to go through one of those "Welcome" medical centers the make sure they could stay. If they didn't [pass the test, they were sent back to the nation they had came from.

Then, when the career politicians gained office they began to open the door for 'all'a them votes'.

They closed the entrance islands and began using them as tourist attractions.

And just think about it; some people of today can say; "my grandparents came here through that island."

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 11:06

I am going to try and be nice, this time, yogi, though I don’t know why.

There is no place in the Constitution that list Ellis Island, or any other entry point, for this country. Nor is there any mention of those entering the country having to be of a certain race, gender, age, or belief.

I would venture that my education has done more for me, than yours did for you.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 11:11

The 1790 naturalization act did restrict citizenship to whites and people of good moral character.

Thankfully, it was revised as society matured and realized that you can't have a free society and cherry-pick what color, creed, nationality or religion you let in.

Some people are too ignorant to understand such a simple concept.

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 11:15

revo-lou said

"I would venture that my education has done more for me, than yours did for you."

Maybe yogi attended Oral Roberts with Michele Bachmann? She's just as clueless...

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 11:20

The Constitution, as written, does not mention immigration specifically. But the USSC has ruled that the Constitution's naturalization clause gives Congress the power to regulate immigration.

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 11:25

gd - There have been, and are, many laws about citizenship and immigration. That we need those is not in question, though, obviously the act you reference and a few others where wrong and later deemed so. My point to Ben, and yogi, is that this country’s very founding, ability to continue as long as it has, and basis for the future is that we are free to be who we need to be.

A concept lost on those two, and unfortunately a great many people in this country.

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 11:47

revo-lou said

"My point to Ben, and yogi, is that this country’s very founding, ability to continue as long as it has, and basis for the future is that we are free to be who we need to be."

Very true. Our country is unique in the fact that it is founded around an idea and not around genetics, social constructs, or religion. It seems to me that conservatism in this country is becoming much like the conservatism in European countries in that it revolves around the idea of who belongs and who doesn't and is based on who you are.... racially, genetically, or religiously. Thankfully that type of conservatism is marginalized in Europe and looks to end up that way here as well.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 11:58

Agreed, revo and brrrk.

I hope that the people here are indeed marginalizing this type of Conservatism but I have learned in the past decade to not count on common sense prevailing.

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 12:04

The Constitution, and thusly this country, if allowed to operate within its intent, both provides for all people and their beliefs, and protect others and the country itself from those beliefs/people. I have no fear that it does not do that or that it will not continue to do that. It does seem though, that there are some who are not so confident, or they fear that their neighbor may be different than them and that they may not be so secure in their own belief to weather that challenge, or they are themselves self righteous and demand, falsely, that this country and its constitution gives them the right to be so against others.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 12:17

Pay no attention Ben, the liberal chippers will always make noise just to convince themselves that they are right. If they say it long enough and loud enough they will really believe themselves. The saving grace is they are really in the minority and only control the political process when either the other side really screws up or for the few times the majority is catching a nap. Your description of whats happing in Europe is correct. They thought letting immigrants in to just work was a saving grace to a lack of bodies brought on by declining birth rates. They now are realizing that there are much worse things then not enough people. This country is beginning to come to the same conclusions regarding our southern border. But to quote Admiral Yamamoto "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve". We are beginning to awake.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 12:18

So chirps the bigot. Back under your rock, judy.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 12:22

Go back in and read the rest of the "Manifesto" GD.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 12:24

"The saving grace is they are really in the minority and only control the political process when either the other side really screws up or for the few times the majority is catching a nap.

That's true. I've always asserted that the Dems get elected to clean up the Republican mess, then when they don't do it fast enough, Republicans get the power back and we go through the entire process again.

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 12:28

Again, more evidence as to the decline in Ms. Judy’s business. Please Judy, tell us the name of your company so that we can all do what we can to help you get it where it needs to b.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 12:35

"They now are realizing that there are much worse things then not enough people. This country is beginning to come to the same conclusions regarding our southern border."

The insinuation here is either race or religion...I haven't heard too many people complain about the rash of Christians that are crossing the border (though some have complained because they're largely Catholic) so it must be race.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 12:49

Sorry lou, we have standards, maybe not high ones, but high enough to not need you and yours. And GD, it's neither, it's culture. Either adapt to ours or stay at home and enjoy yours.

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 12:54

{Sorry lou, we have standards, maybe not high ones, but high enough to not need you and yours}

Now, Judy, I just want to help you in your business venture. Seems you need it. By the way, since you used your e-mail, you might be getting some. Not from me, but others. And google will fill in a lot of the blanks.

{Either adapt to ours or stay at home and enjoy yours.}

It is AMAZING that you can say this without seeing the irony in it. Well, not really, we expect so little of you, and, that is exactly what we are getting.

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 12:54

judyboodo@yahoo.com said

"Sorry lou, we have standards, maybe not high ones, but high enough to not need you and yours. And GD, it's neither, it's culture. Either adapt to ours or stay at home and enjoy yours."

I didn't know that the American Indians were hiding the invention of spaghetti?

By: yogiman on 5/10/11 at 12:58

You're right, revo-lou. the islands are not mentioned in the Constitution. They were only put into the laws of those days. Many people of foreign nations wanted to begin a new life by coming to this "new" nation. But they had to go through a medical check before they were allowed to come onto the main land. They were not allowed off of the island until they passed that medical exam.

A little more history knowledge, revo-lou. They also wanted to become citizens of this new country. They had to live here for 7 years and pass a qualification test IN ENGLISH! (ain't like it is today, is it?)

Of course, during their indoctrination time some of those women had new born babies (I guess they just couldn't wait). Under the laws at that time, those babies had to live in this country for 7 years and take the citizenship test; just like their parents.

Congress, for some reason, figured out those people was here to become citizens and those new born babies should have to go through the routine their parents had to go through, so they gave them citizenship at birth... if their parents were in the citizenship process.

And now, this great? congress we have thinks any illegal alien sneaking across our borders into this country to have a baby, that baby should have immediate citizenship. After all, when they reach the age of 18, they can vote for them. Hell, they gave them their citizenship, didn't they?

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 12:59

A snob and bigot...one helluva combination.

What exactly is the name of your business...just so I can avoid it in the future. Thanks.

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 1:15

yogi, I am 3rd generation American, I don’t need your history lesson. My great-grandfather came to this country with 14 dollars in his pocket and died a millionaire, several hundred times over. Assimilate? No yogi, no one has to do that. All they have to do is abide by the laws. There is none that says they have to give up their culture. We haven’t. And no one has ever thought I was anything other than an American.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 1:20

Frothing at the mouth aren't we GD. You people are so easy. It's no wonder you like the goat herders yours are so easy to get you want to be close so you can get more to replace them. Allah Akbar, ya'all.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 1:22

Not frothing, I seriously want to know. Why won't you tell, are you ashamed? C'mon...

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 1:28

Hee,Hee,Hee, GD, don't worry if you come into my business we'll know you by the trail left by your bleeding heart. And the smell of goats and taco's. To bad great granddaddy didn't spend some of those millions to buy his heirs some common sense.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 1:29

Thank you Judy, for confirming my opinion of you was correct.

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 1:30

Hey judy, here's to hoping your daughter or son ends up marrying one of those "goat herders".... I'm sure it'll be a marked improvement to your lineage.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 1:30

Your welcome, be assured your opinion means a lot to many of us on this board.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 1:32

It didn't take very long for her true colors to come shining through, brrrrk.

Sickening.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 1:42

Proud of my colors GD, but ya'all keep patting each other on the back, it must feel reassuring.

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 1:43

Crap, she is so inept that she doesn’t know who posted what. Assuming she is too stupid to have not used her real name, and that she is from this area, any so inclined can find her on facebook. Good luck to you Judy, you are going to need it.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 1:45

As Mae West said "luck my dear, has nothing to do with it".

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 1:53

I do feel sorry for you, Judy.

But the sad fact is there are many like her. I met a man at the park (took the kids to the playground) and some of the stuff he was spouting, about Mexicans, low income people, etc, was disgusting. I wasn't the only one. Several of us had to ask him to leave or stop saying certain things around the kids.

It was unbelievable. I really thought that this old-line racism was beginning to wane...I guess not.

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 2:05

"I have no race prejudices, and I think I have no color prejudices or caste prejudices nor creed prejudices. Indeed I know it. I can stand any society. All that I care to know is that a man is a human being--that is enough for me; he can't be any worse." - Mark Twain

A quote for any occasion.... :-)

By: BenDover on 5/10/11 at 2:07

I don't mind the southern border too much judy. I'm fine with guest worker. Let's get them documented and let them work. Those hard-working Catholics don't have aims on destroying our society because we're a bunch of infidels.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 2:12

Ben, generalizing all Muslims, are we?

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 2:45

gdiafante said

"Ben, generalizing all Muslims, are we?"

Bob Ross ain't got nuthin' on Ben's broad brush.

By: BenDover on 5/10/11 at 2:48

That race card rut is hard to get out of isn't it. It's a well worn track that's backed reasonable people down with an outrageous accusation for so long and is so 'old hat' that no new and possibly valid challenge can whiff past its abominable stench.

Well, yer gonna need a new play-book boys. My generation and the generation following aren't going to be whipped down with the political correctness belt.

By: yogiman on 5/10/11 at 3:23

revo-lou,

With your apparent juvenile mentality your great grandfather apparently came here after they closed the islands. Did he float over or fly? Did he gain citizenship? In
English or 'whatever'?

By: house_of_pain on 5/10/11 at 3:34

Wait...when you talk about folks coming in from the southern border, you mean Alabama, right? Because I'm not so sure we should be allowing that.

By: yogiman on 5/10/11 at 3:42

Judyboodo,

In your 12:17 post you made the statement; "We are 'beginning' to be awake." May I correct you on that? Many of us woke up early, at the beginning of dawn.

But giving credit where credit is due, Barry, or Barack (whatever his name is) woke many of us up. Much earlier than he wanted.

His "so called" birth certificate is now on the Tube with explanations of many sound questions.

By: BenDover on 5/10/11 at 3:55

The majority of devout Muslims will criticize Jihad and terrorist acts but the majority do believe in Sharia Law which is at odds with our fundamental liberties in this country.

By: BenDover on 5/10/11 at 3:56

^^^^^^ addressing GD "Ben, generalizing all Muslims, are we?" ^^^^^

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 4:00

BenDover said

"The majority of devout Muslims will criticize Jihad and terrorist acts but the majority do believe in Sharia Law which is at odds with our fundamental liberties in this country."

Fear the brown people!!!!!!

By: house_of_pain on 5/10/11 at 4:03

Fear the "Roll Tide" people. Take the toilet paper hat off, and go back where you came from...

By: yogiman on 5/10/11 at 4:10

BenDover,

I must agree on the one issue with gdiafante, all Muslims are equal. A true belief is an absolute belief, and from my interpretation of the Muslim faith, there ain't no mediocres.

And I have read where some of our 'judges'? are now using some Sharia laws in their courts.

It seems we now have two ways to go in the US: accept communism or Muslimhood.

Are we on the downhill side of the road to Rome?

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 4:17

Apparently stupidity is infinite.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 5/10/11 at 4:21

So is naivety.

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 4:23

judyboodo@yahoo.com said

"So is naivety."

But I don't hide with a gun under my pillow at night....

By: house_of_pain on 5/10/11 at 4:24

Stupidity is omnipresent. Anytime I turn on the TV, read the paper, or leave the house...there it is.