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Monday, February 14, 2011 at 10:54pm

"Zero tolerance is a state law, and that won’t change,” [Jesse] Register told The City Paper. “What we’re trying to do is look at appropriate other measures that we can take that help young people and give us alternatives to an automatic yearlong suspension.”

Register did not fracture his tongue while speaking from both sides of mouth.

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By: bnakat on 2/15/11 at 1:02

The above post was based on a lengthy article: "Schools director preps new program to lighten first-time drug offender suspensions." Follow the above tag: "Jesse Register" for full context.

The poster's terse critique is a "from the hip" shot without just cause. The adage, "A text taken out of context becomes a mere pretext" applies here. I carry no water for Mr. Register, but misrepresentation is unethical.

No doubt the libertarian and libertine will discover common ground on the drug offender topic.

By: revo-lou on 2/15/11 at 1:27

bnakat - Your comments caused me to go and read the story, one that at first glance I had not intended to read. I noticed that in your post, you did not offer up an opinion of the context of the story, so, I am curious of your feelings on the subject.

I am not enthralled with Register, but, in this case I can see his point about trying to keep the kids in class, with graduation as the goal. It seems this plan may have some merit, and if implemented and operated properly, it may actually do some good for a few kids.

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 6:04

I haven't read Register's article but not being a kid any longer I know kids are educated in class. They learn many things about life out of class, and the adult's goal should the education of the children.

Drop one out of class, and too many of them won't go back to school. They don't want to be adults before they can graduate. They reach the earning a living early in life.

The best way to correct a child from a wrong doing in school is a paddle on the posterior and standing with their face to the wall in front of their class. The embarrassment teaches a child a lot about proper behavior.

Too many parents don't want another adult to correct their child because the fell their children are so superior, which apparently they aren't.

And the fact the government has taken over so much control of the behavior of children doesn't help the matter in getting them educated.

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 6:44

"Automatic yearlong suspensions" are insane. What's the kid going to do for the year out of school? General mischief, car break-ins, burgularies, armed robberies, sell heavier weight of drugs....
Needs counseling, parental involvement, and a severe warning. A 3 day suspension.
A "Three strikes" law comes to mind.

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 6:47

"yogi": You cannot "paddle" students any longer. Not since The Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan.

By: house_of_pain on 2/15/11 at 7:01

"Zero tolerance" is ridiculous. Kids can also be suspended for having nail clippers in their possession.

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 7:13

Tobacco use in young students is tolerated, but Cannabis use gets you ostracized, thrown out of school and possibly thrown in jail?

Ridiculous.

When it comes to things like this, Tennessee must be one of the most backward states in the union. I blame the Jesus-freaks in the state-house.

The hypocritical, Bible-thumping Southern theocrats have perverted the message of Christ; instead of a message of love, forgiveness and tolerance, they promote a worldview of hate, punishment and intolerance. These disciples of discipline argue that Christ believed in theocracy, self-defense, violence, war and the death penalty.

Jesus, the Christ was OK, it's the Christians who really suck.

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 7:16

But, but, but...Loner...We can carry fully loaded, semi-automatics into all the honky-tonks. So, there's hope after all!

Over at the other rag, we're still discussing the merits of selling wine in grocery stores.
I think Tenn. is stuck in 1890.

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 7:26

The "gay 90's", Darge....hence the homophobia.

I'd rather see a kid rolling a joint, or loading a bowl, than loading a 30-clip magazine....but that's just old Libertine Loner.

Twenty-some states have medical Cannabis laws on the books, as a wave of reason and tolerance sweeps across the fruited plain...but the Volunteer State remains a fortified island of ignorance.

The Empire State is not much better..we still have the Rockefeller Drug laws on the books and no wine in the grocery stores...you can't buy Odoule's NA on a Sunday until after noon in NY. That is one tight sphincter...yet NY is considered a bastion of liberalism...tain't so.

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 7:32

They dope the kids up on psychotropic drugs, to alter their behavioral "issues" and then they refer them to mandatory counseling and therapy programs, where do-gooders, with a hammerlock on commitment, make a career out of it. Taxpayers and insurance companies foot the bill, in most cases and the beat goes on....

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 7:32

You cannot buy wine in grocery stores in New York?
That seems an impossibility.
Here, along with other high intelligent quotient states like Miss., Ark., AL...but New York?
We could buy it in Hawai'i, 7 days a week. New Years Day, 4th of July, Memorial Day, Labor Day, Christmas Day, Easter Sunday.
Here, all those are black out days, too.

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 7:35

Hey, Bnakat....get your @ss out here and debate...enough of the hit & run commentary!

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 7:49

I do not bear false witness, Brother Dargent. The Empire State has suffered the effects of a series bad would-be emperors.

Chris Lee, the shirtless Congressman, was my Rep. Now I have no representation in the House...of course, I never really did. Right next door, Eric Massa also resigned, last March....his was a homosexual scandal (he admitted tickling and pillow fights).

Remember our disgraced Gov. Spitzer? And how could I not mention Charlie Rangel?

Carl Paladino, from Buffalo, ran against Cuomo the Younger for Governor. . Paladino was exposed as a bona fide racist and a total hypocrite...with no acumen for government. Paladino has a love child...his wife did not know, until it was brought out in the election campaign. Super sleazy and super easy victory for the Son of Mario Cuomo.

No, the Empire State is no guiding light of decency, honor or intelligence. When Teddy Roosevelt was NY Governor, things were different....decay and decline have set in.

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 7:50

Bnakat always is the 1st to post at mid-night or 3:00am some lofty Mensa sounding gibberish.

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 7:53

Loner: Thanks for the history lesson but all of us just want to know: "Are you going to close the beaches"? Jaws..1974.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/11 at 8:19

Good morning people

http://swfsc.noaa.gov/uploadedImages/Divisions/PRD/Projects/Research_Cruises/Hawaii_and_Alaska/HICEAS/NeckerIslandSunrise_J.Cotton.JPG?n=5340

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 8:20

dargent7, or is it still jackass2?

You apparently didn't read the last paragraph in my 5:04 post. The government has taken over control of raising the children in our country. You cannot correct your child in public. I've often wondered what they would do if a a parent whipped their child's ass at home for disrespect or disobedience.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/11 at 8:26

I’ m sorry that the first one did not work.
http://blog.baliwww.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/sunrise-at-serangan-island.jpg

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 8:29

Just wondering, what do you guys might think of the current government taking the action to abolish the DADT program from our military?

I'm afraid we are going to lose the military we used to have to protect our country.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/11 at 8:38

I never raised my hand to my daughter who is now on her way to being an EMT/Firefighter. There are other ways of disciplining children. If we lay a hand in anger to an adult we would be arrested for assault. So why is it that we can beat children?

Spanking children leads to them turning out to be old sour mouth hicks.

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 8:54

Whipping is not beating, Captain Nemo.

The adults of today are what they were raised up to be through their childhood. They must be taught right from wrong and often an ass whipping is a vital lesson to a child. It should be dome with love, not anger or hate.

I believe too many children today were brought into this world as unwanted children. Then, too, consider the education of so many of the parents. That has a dramatic effect on the children.

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 8:56

Yogi apparatus: Your statement to "paddle" a student, any student, in front of his/ hers peers, facing a wall, is completely brain dead.
Just like your assertion President Obama isn't really the POTUS.
Anyone stiking/ humiliating a student in a public/ private school will be sued or shot dead in the parking lot. Or both.

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 8:57

Dagonit, I', going to have to quit hitting this keyboard and punching that button. I meant done with love, not dome. Which so many of you will consider dumb.

By: Antisocialite on 2/15/11 at 9:05

I believe too many children today were brought into this world as unwanted children.

I assume this means you are for increased sexual education funding for schools, free condom distribution, and a woman's right to have an abortion also, right yogiman?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/11 at 9:07

That explains a lot.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/11 at 9:08

Song and dance come next.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/11 at 9:14

Antisocialite I have not had anytime to read that link you posted yesterday, but I hope to do so next week when I have some time and discuss it with you.

By: revo-lou on 2/15/11 at 9:15

So we see that yogi knows nothing about how to raise children as well as having a warped view of politics. What a nice well rounded turd he is.

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 9:32

I think I did a pretty good job, revo-lou.

Did you have a wife, or husband (whichever the case may be) help you raise your children, if you have any? I didn't. My oldest one was six years old and my baby was less than two. So, using my personal techniques I think I did a pretty good job. My baby is now 49 years old and of the three children I raised, not one of them today hang up the phone after talking to me without says I love you, daddy. Yep, I have to admit, it makes me feel great.

By: revo-lou on 2/15/11 at 9:48

yogi, I have 3, and not one of them hang up the phone, walk out the door, or miss a chance to say that they love me, and their mother, or each other, either. And not one of them had their arse busted in public, or private. They have respect for themselves, their family, and people in general, without having their mouth popped, or soaped up. They don't do drugs, drink, or get in trouble, and respect the laws of the land, and the opinions of others without having to be demeaned verbally, physically or mentally.

They have done, and are doing well in school, life, and the world. They see things without being told what to see, or think, or believe by some freak that turns around behind closed doors and does what they “preach” against, or some nutcase that believes the world is out to get them, in a political manner.

Of course, both of us have to be taken at our word posting here. I wonder which one of us will have more “doubters”?

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 9:50

antisicialite,

I am for going back to the old system of raising and teaching children.

I don';t know your age, but it looks like you fit into this modern day range. In my childhood, anyone two years older than you was spoken to as yes sir and no sir; and yes ma'm and no ma'm. You misbehave in your neighborhood and any adult could whip your ass... and you didn't want your parents to find out about it. If they did, you got a lot harder one at home.

How many children speak to with respect? If I called a man my age by his first name and my dad was standing there, Lordy, Lordy, I would have felt it.

Sex was learned out in the back yard back then. We didn't shack up before we were married and it was appalling for a woman to have a baby out of wedlock.

But then, what the hell, we didn't have a government that would pay to have that baby killed.

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 9:54

revo-lou,

You are lucky to have a family such as your's. Too many others are not that fortunate. And regarding questioning a person's remark; I always take a man for his word until I know for a fact he is lying.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/11 at 9:57

Sex was learned out in the back yard back then.

LOL

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/11 at 10:00

See you later.

I’m still laughing.

By: richgoose on 2/15/11 at 10:09

Zero Tolerance is put into effect when you do not want to deal with the problem any longer.

By: bfra on 2/15/11 at 10:10

yogi - I always take a man for his word until I know for a fact he is lying.
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You keep repeating that phrase over & over, like your other inane ideas, then dispute it, with your own comments.

By: revo-lou on 2/15/11 at 10:27

{By: bfra on 2/15/11 at 9:10
yogi - I always take a man for his word until I know for a fact he is lying.
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You keep repeating that phrase over & over, like your other inane ideas, then dispute it, with your own comments.}

Yes, yogi, please share with us how you know for a FACT that Obama is lying about where he was born.

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 10:29

My objection to the use of the term, "Zero Tolerance", is that it perverts the meaning of tolerance itself.

Tolerance is a virtue; this sort of language changes "tolerance" into some sort of vice. If "Zero Tolerance" is a good thing, then tolerance must be a bad thing, according to this logic.

Judeo-Christian holy-men often preach that tolerance is a sign of weakness or subjugation Defeated and oppressed people are forced to "tolerate" things they don't like. . Terms like, "Zero Tolerance" reinforce that perverted view of tolerance..

Tolerance requires compassion, empathy, self-control, reason and strength of character. If Christ was anything at all, He was Tolerant. (Except for the money-changers in the temple incident...and when he cursed that fruit tree.....and....well, mostly tolerant, I suppose).

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 10:30

When did I begin that phrase before, bfra? I'm sure you know more about what I have previously said than I.

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 10:35

Yogi is just yankin' our chain....he's just another troll....with issues. Yogi could be Budlight in E-drag?

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 10:42

The beaches have been mostly closed, Darge...Coney Island Whitefish are washing up on the beaches.....plastic cigar-tips and tampon insertion devices too....the Great Lakes are Not_So_Hot Lakes....maybe this "flying carp" invasion species will actually help, like the Zebra Mussels did.

By: bfra on 2/15/11 at 10:43

Amen on that Loner!

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 10:46

revo-lou,

I know what I have read and heard regarding the comments I have made about Obama. Apparently you have not read the same articles I have read, and heard the same comments I have heard on radio and television. So in your opinion, and others on this site, they didn't occur.

Read the two books he is supposed to have written. If that doesn't raise a question in your mind, you don't apparently have much of a thinking capability between your ears. And your vision doesn't seem to go past your nose..

Hell, I have stated sites to look into on the internet and none of you seem to want to know the facts. The Constitution doesn't seem to mean anything to you because you surely don't understand it.

By: yogiman on 2/15/11 at 10:50

Another thought, y'all. For all of your fun games, I would almost be willing to bet the man he claims to be his father would prove not to be by a DNA test.

By: bfra on 2/15/11 at 10:53

When you first started commenting here, I checked some of your sites. I found rumors, gossip & propaganda, but no PROOF!

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 10:56

So, now, Obama didn't really write his two books? Like Sarah Palin wrote hers?
If Obama's father was white, born in France or Italy, Belgium for that matter, and his mother, who was black, traveled to Hawai'i to give birth, would you be complaining?
This issue you have with citizenship is strickly black OR white.
With Obama, it happens to be black AND white.
Your premise is that both parents have to be born in America and their offspring has to be born in America to be eligible to become POTUS?
Be clear on this.

By: Loner on 2/15/11 at 10:56

The Flying Carp are invading the Great Lakes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_carp

The silver carp is also called the flying carp for its tendency to leap from the water when startled.[11] They can grow to over 40 lb (18 kg), and can leap 10 ft (3 m) in the air. Many boaters traveling in uncovered high-speed watercraft have been injured by running into the fish while at speed. In 2003 a woman jet-skiing broke her nose and a vertebra colliding with a silver carp and nearly drowned.[12] In another example, a teenager's jaw was broken by a silver carp while being pulled on an inner tube.[13] Water skiing in areas where silver carp are present is extremely dangerous.[14]

Silver carp were imported to North America in the 1970s to control algae growth in aquaculture and municipal wastewater treatment facilities. They escaped from captivity soon after their importation.[5] They are considered a highly invasive species.[6] Silver carp together with the closely related bighead carp often reach extremely high population densities and are thought to have undesirable effects on the environment and on native species.[7]

Imagine being hit in the smacker, by a Southbound 40lb. flying carp, while riding in a Northbound boat, doing 20 knots.....THWACK!!

By: dargent7 on 2/15/11 at 11:01

bfra: "rumors, gossip, and propaganda, but NO proof"...that was in my wedding vows but not relevant to this inane discussion.

By: bfra on 2/15/11 at 11:03

LOL d7 - It is also in everything yogi posts, so it is relevant to yogi's comments.

By: brrrrk on 2/15/11 at 11:10

Loner said

"The hypocritical, Bible-thumping Southern theocrats have perverted the message of Christ; instead of a message of love, forgiveness and tolerance, they promote a worldview of hate, punishment and intolerance. These disciples of discipline argue that Christ believed in theocracy, self-defense, violence, war and the death penalty.

Jesus, the Christ was OK, it's the Christians who really suck."

Ain't that a mouthful?
Down here, them's fightin' words! But I got your back......
Around here I see very little "Christ" in Christian.