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Reader Comment: Hunting no 'sport'
Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 6:46pm
There's not much "sport" in sitting in a tree stand, with a high-powered rifle, or 12 gauge with deer slugs, waiting for a big buck to come and sniff the buck lure you sprinkled on the ground, below your tree stand. All those items, (except the buck), are available and on sale at Walmart's Sporting Goods Dept.
And certainly there is no "sport" involved in a deer-vehicle collision.
Let's let the true sportsmen hunt year round....but no firearms, tree stands, buck lure, salt licks etc. Let the hunters get back to hunting...not slaughter-house-style harvesting.
Posted by "loner"
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Filed under: City Voices
@Loner: Alas, you finally have a comment published, and it is unrelated to your disdain for the State of Israel. Neither were your unsubstantiated claims that the Tea Party movement is financed by a wealthy cabal lifted from a post and used. However, your contempt for deer hunters was recognized as newsworthy.
Your use of such terms as rifle, 12 gauge, and firearms possibly qualified you for a substitute LTE. The editorial board of "The City Paper" seems to be, shall we say, "left leaning," and therefore would oppose guns. An alternate explanation could be that the ubiquitous Mr. D'Argent suggested that they use your post instead of one of his diatribes on guns.
One of your statements appears a bit odd, to wit "And certainly there is no "sport" involved in a deer-vehicle collision." Now, I understand your main point in the post was to dispel the notion that hunting deer with guns is a sport. But whence comes the idea that anyone, for sport , kills deer with a vehicle?
This is intended as banter, not discourse material; just observations to get your New York juices flowing.
bnakat: You seem to thrive on using high fallutin' vernacular to make exactly, what point?
That you're an avid hunter?
Hunters don't use high powered rifes with scopes?
Maybe venture into a Dick's Sporting Goods store or a Bass Pro Shop to see the arsenal of weapons available.
You can even bring one into your favorite bar.
Loner has presented far better & more interesting comments than this one. I thought this comment, amusing, but not anything to take the place of a LTE. But, at least, he wasn't using the CP, for a FREE promotion of a book (a silly book at best), as Eddie A did.
Shot through a living room window screen with shotgun once to kill
a hugh turkey, was that bad?
gov - Depends on the owner of the screen, the location and hunting laws in the area!
Loner's gone Hollywood. Next we'll see him on Geraldo, The View, and ShowBiz Tonight.
Then "60 Minutes" will come knocking and find out all about his past drug usage and all that mail he still has in his attic.
Out of all comments, this is the one NCP posts? Silly. Hey, Loner - I thought of you last night because our local PBS station had a piece about a winery in upstate NY. They specialized in fruit wines.
Good morning, Nashville!
Well, I am indeed flattered to see one of my posts elevated to this level. I quit sending in LTE's, because the NCP seemed to be looking for local writers, not out-of-staters. Perhaps I should try again.
Thank you, Bnakat, for the kind words. For the record, I am not anti-Israel per se, I question the efficacy and wisdom of the US-Israel special reloationship and I believe that Zionism has failed to deliver, as promised...Israel is an apartheid, militant. nuclear-armed, police state....that was not in the original design.
As for the Tea party movement, the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch have been generous benefactors for the so-called "populist" Tea party agenda. This is tycoon-based populism. Like all candidates, the Tea Party people are beholden to special interests.
I did not mean to suggest that some people might try to hit deer with their motor vehicles for "sport"....although there probably are a few miscreants who do just that. I threw that in because I was trying to find the "sport" aspect in herd thinning; certainly no sport in car-deer collisions and there is little sport in the modern methods of deliberately "harvesting" deer. Perhaps the comment was
unnecessary and distracting from the main point...it could have been left out, I suppose...this was just a post, I did not clean it up, as I might for an LTE submission.
Darge, thanks for the support....I expect that Oprah will be calling me this morning...I'll hold out for a new motorcycle as my price for appearing on her show. That, or a Selmer Mark VI tenor sax.
Thanks for the words of encouragement, Bfra; we often disagree, but we manage to keep it civil, through mutual respect.
I may have to break out the NY State champagne this morning....I'm king for a day in Nashville.
BN: Was the piece produced by WXXI, our PBS affiliate in Rochester, NY?
The Four Chimneys winery makes organic wines, some fruit-flavored, was that the winery in the PBS piece? Four Chimney wines contain no sulfites; but, to me, their wines are mediocre in taste etc. The folks that run that winery are all pretty cool, their winery is located on a beautiful site in the Finger Lakes region.
I was thinking champagne, BN, even before I read your wine comment...we must be sending ESP messages to each other. Where have you been lately....I missed your comments.
Speaking of winerys, I'm going to an event at Kix Brook's Arrington Winery tonight.
Anyone who wants a peice of me can come, greet, and meet.
Hey, Loner. I didn't catch the name of the winery. It';s run by a couple who were fruit farmers and decided to open a winery instead. btw, i've been working a lot more these days and don't have as much time to "play." i miss you guys! 8~)
d7, you better break out your "flame" shirt & duster for that event.
Congrats loner, I thought that was a fine post.
Bnakat, here is a link to a well-documented piece by Frank Rich, of he NY Times; the article exposes the Koch Brother's and Rupert Murdoch's behind the scenes manipulation of the "grass roots" movement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html
Jane Mayer wrote an expose for the New Yorker on this subject, entitled Covert Operations, here is the link:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
That should "substantiate" my claim....enjoy!
d7 - If it is a "special" event, get there early, or you will be walking a looooong way! House's duster suggestion was also good.
Thank you, Gdiafante. I appreciate that.
Keep schlogging, BN...I hope that you are raking in the dough...so to speak. As for wines, my current favorite is a white wine from Keuka Springs Winery..it's called Vignoles....it is so tasty, that it almost qualifies as a breakfast wine.....citrus-like nuances of flavor that excite the palate and stimulate the taste buds...it's a rather complex taste...very sophisticated, yet clearly on point.
Maybe I should write for a wine mag.....nah, too elitist....I'll write for this community of fine posters instead....nuthin' elitist here......well, maybe Bnakat, just a tad.....but, we need that for balance.
Congratulations Loner!!!!!! I know this is a banner day for you.
D7 - dress warm. I heard there may be a flake or two on the Cumberland Plateau
Correction: The official name of that winery is Keuka Springs Vineyards.
It features a beautiful outdoor tasting area that overlooks the East Branch of Keuka Lake (the bifurcated or "crooked lake")' near Penn Yan, NY.
The view is fantastic and it's OK to buy a cold bottle and walk through the vineyards themselves, sipping the finished product...they'll even loan you a couple of wine glasses and pull the cork for you...friendliest winery I have found yet.
They also have live music there on occasion....on a warm sunny afternoon, sipping an ice cold Vignoles, with that special person and listening to good music - with a panoramic view of one of the finest Finger Lakes...to me, it does not get any better on this planet......heaven should be so nice.
Here is the link:
http://www.keukaspringwinery.com/
Thank you, Funditto...yes, I am quite gratified and honestly surprised. Did this get published in the hard copy, or is this online only? My ego is just itching to know the extent of my "15 minutes of fame".
hell, everyone knows since they outlawed lynching, all we have left is huntin'
and wife beating.
I never see the hard copy. I'll look for one today and let you know.
Loner - Enjoyed you link to Keuka Spring Winery. The picture section, offers a good view of the setting. Thanks!
Thanks for the link, Loner. I'll be ordering a bottle or 2.
This is a hoot:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101103/ap_on_en_ot/us_bush_book
Tell 'em, Loner sent you....just tell them you heard it from that old, white-haired, bearded, hippie dude with the black do-rag...the scrawny Willie Nelson look-alike....they'll know who you mean...the Vignoles freak.
The CP hard copy comes out on Monday's only.
They stopped printing the LTE's 8 months ago.
This last week was the Tenth Anniversary edition.
I offered to send one to "Loner" but Sing Sing doesn't allow foreign mail to be received by inmates.
Loner, we've never had "over-population" on this earth in pre-man history because we had predators to "handle" that for us. Do some research, and yes, I now own an entire library on the topic thanks to my father's passing. Deer have no predators, therefore w/o culling they often succumb to wasting disease....to the point that parks in TX (it's been on the news there) have let hunters come onto the property and HUNT. Talk about gross! The news showed Bambi walk right up to the guy w/the rifle, and them "bam" ...it dropped to the ground. None of the other deer fled a the noise either. Amazing. They were so tame....so sad.
"pain": I have no idea what a "flame" shirt and duster are, but I'll wear my Detroit Lions jersey with a Red Wing T-Shirt underneath.
That should be enough to scare off any troublemakers.
Anybody got a used Randy Moss jersey they want to sell?
"Red Wing T-Shirt underneath."
You are dead to me.
I read your link, Bfra. Sounds like Junior Bush finally spilled his guts. His regrets about invading and occupying Iraq were purely operational ones; he did not regret his decision to pre-emptively invade Iraq, that is to say starting an elective war based on flimsy allegations, while the War in Afghanistan was far from resolved...no regrets there it seems.
Bush the Younger clings to the idea that he was surprised to learn there were no WMD in Iraq...he prefers to be remembered as a gullible dupe, as opposed to Darth Vader. The guy is probably full of crap on that....he played dumb, but much of that was an act.
Flip Wilson, a black comedian in the 70's, used to say, "the devil made me do it." Junior Bush seems to be saying, "Cheney made me do it".
Where's Cheney's book?
d7 - All the wild west, shoot em up, bang bangs wore dusters! You could look like John Wayne. Don't know about the "flame" shirt, usless maybe, red flannel.
Back to the subject of deer hunting; I read an article yesterday about the dear deer population getting so overwhelming they are beginning to cause vast over population problems over the nation.
Looks like it would be better if everyone got a gun and started eating more deer meat. Git the population down and save more automobiles.
A high powered rifle would be best. That way you wouldn't mess up the meat with a bunch of lead pellets from a shotgun in it. They can break you teeth if you chomp down too hard.
Loner - Have read a few excerpts from his book, when I see them online and they are all dumb. He was soooo hurt, boo hoo, by Kayne West's put down. Who does he think he is fooling?
Hunt deer with a shotgun????? Who?????
Good comment loner.
bfra, some people use slugs.
Moss is a rolling stone, gathering no moss....from the Patriots to the Vikings and now to the Titans....round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows....on Randy Moss, no moss grows.
Remember, football, more than most any other team sport, is in fact a TEAM sport...if Moss proves to be too slippery and the Titan's slip and slide to NFL infamy.....it could be a moss-related incident.
The disgruntled Moss may slip out of town sooner rather than later.
I meant deer population, folks, not the human bunch. They are great in helping the automotive industry, though. Sometimes even the medical industry and the funeral services. Killum, damnit, killum.
meaning shotgun slugs, not ''Mongo''
Thanks, slacker. I was gonna tell bfra some people melt all of those pellets into a single ball and put it back in the pellet holder. Then they call them slugs.
slacker - Not if they are experienced hunters. Good way to just wound the deer and let it suffer a slow death. Most use 30-30 or 30-06.
bfra true. Or my patented chase them off a cliff method.
yogi - Then they wouldn't get pellets to break their teeth, now would they?
LOL slacker!
It's so refreshing to see such compassion for the deer.
And I think I'll take your advice and apply it to life in general. Next time I see a human suffering with disease, I'm going to shoot them...don't worry, it'll be a clean shot.
We wouldn't want them to suffer, would we?
Darge, I'm out of Moss jerseys, but I can put you in a ''Crazy legs Hirsch'' jersey for a modest sum.
g - How can you possibly compare human life to animal life?
That's my point, bfra. We're more compassionate about animals than humans.
For god's sake, don't let the poor deer get a disease and suffer...yet we can't even legalize marijuana to ease the pain of terminal human patients.
Ask Dr, Kevorkian about ending a diseased human life...even when it's their choice.
Bass ackwards if you ask me.
Wasn't Dr. Kevorkian in it for the money? I don't know any of those people, that have more compassion for animals than humans and don't want to know them.